thank you Denis, you're right that obviously some perverse relational dynamics are going on that go beyond individual differences and make people, myself included, misunderstand and be misunderstood, in an iterative way ...<br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Denis Postle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d.postle@btinternet.com">d.postle@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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On 10/02/2011 13:35, Michel Bauwens wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Silke has asked several of us to refrain from further
communication, so I have sent a reply privately to Christian,<br>
</blockquote>
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This has the virtue� of opening up a space where other perspectives
might be of assistance.<br>
<br>
This is this a research group so I'll free free to jump with an
outline of a piece of research that, improprieties apart, can
account for some of the miscommunication and disagreement that has
been prevalent here lately.<br>
<br>
A well validated piece of research, the Kirton Adaption Innovation
[KAI] scale points to a spectrum of Creative Styles ranging from
Adaptive to Innovative. The detail of the scale doesn't need to
concern us here. What matters is that while the KAI says nothing
about the value or amount of creativity a person manifests, it has a
lot to offer about different approaches/styles through which we
prefer to be creative, and how we view or engage in change.<br>
<br>
Headlines: (keep in mind that the distribution in the researched
populations is a bell curve)<br>
<br>
People with an Adaptive style prefer evolution of the present as a
form of change and seek to work within settled boundaries. They come
up with few but realistic ideas and projects that are often
implemented. They are often found settled near centres of
power/influence.<br>
<br>
People with a strong Innovative style tend to be outsiders or on the
margins of institutions and prefer fresh starts and out of the box
thinking. They are commonly prolific with lots of not very well
grounded ideas, which they have difficulty in getting implemented.
They may face considerable disappointment and rejection.<br>
<br>
Why might this be relevant here? One of the outcomes of the KAI work
is that it shows that people who are 10 points away from each other
in style will need to take care to understand and be understood, and
that people 2O points apart will likely see each other as aliens,
wrong, impossible, problematic.<br>
<br>
As a high innovator who's experienced enough rejection and
disappointment I have moved, partly due the KAI perspective to
respect for the more adaptive person's capacity to hold and sustain
continuity, something I find hard to do. Conversely, organizations
that become too dependent on Adaptive creativity tend to eventually
slip into stagnation. The task for people with a highly adaptive
style is to find respect for the alien innovators who want to
overturn everything that is settled.<br>
<br>
I hope this helps account for some of the current distance between
list participants here.<br>
<br>
Our server is down at the moment, when it is available, I'll post an
introduction to the KAI.<br>
<br>
Denis<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
Michel<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:02 PM,
Christian Siefkes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christian@siefkes.net" target="_blank">christian@siefkes.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>On 02/10/2011 01:28 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
> Sorry Massimo, I can only judge from what I see on this
list, and I have a<br>
> responsibility to my friends to warn them what they're
getting into; once<br>
> they engage, it's their responsiblity, but they deserve
a warning,<br>
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<div>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Massimo
De Angelis <<a href="mailto:commoning@gmail.com" target="_blank">commoning@gmail.com</a><br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:commoning@gmail.com" target="_blank">commoning@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
[...]<br>
<div>> � � the same time you send emails to your
greek friends warning them I am a<br>
> � � sectarian always looking for a fight while saying
"massimo is part of<br>
> � � the radical set that always judges others to be
coopted, and always<br>
> � � calling for struggle, with little regard for
constructive altenatives,<br>
> � � and also little regard of whether a struggle can
actually win ... People<br>
> � � like him, and his associate martin pedersen usually
like to act as<br>
> � � troublemakers during conferences and such ... . "<br>
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Did you really write that, Michel?? I must say, I'm shocked. I
sometimes<br>
disagree with what Massimo and Martin are saying, but I've not
the slightest<br>
idea what made you label them as "troublemakers". Nor why you
felt to had to<br>
send "warnings" to others. Surely we can do much, much, much
better than<br>
that in our interactions with each other...<br>
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