[P2P-F] Towards a Peer-to-Peer Strategy for Social Change

Tue Feb 8 07:51:48 CET 2011

Paul, and George, and friends,

just to mention a comparative tactic,

in naomi klein's shock doctrine, she shows how the neoliberal machine works
that way, i.e. they prepare, through their think thanks, a consistent set of
proposals; none of these proposals is politically viable at the time they
propose them, but in times of crises, when noboby has a clear direction,
they step in, and they rapidly achieve outside influence for their
anti-social proposals when the ruling class is at a loss; I propose a
similar strategy with social proposals for the majority of the population,
inspired by the p2p/commons paradigm,

I'm not saying we can pull this off at the moment, but, we have to start
working on it,

Michel

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Paul B. Hartzog <paulbhartzog at gmail.com>wrote:

> Michel
>
> My paper that you logged here
>
> http://p2pfoundation.net/21st_Century_Governance_as_a_Complex_Adaptive_System
>
> includes a section about rapid response rather than planning,
> but an unmentioned implication is that the responding system
> has to be ready to response, which does mean some level
> of intellect and analyis.
>
> Ready made smart mobs as it were.
>
> If I had to make a metaphor,
> it would be that flocks emerge instantly when a predator
> emerges from the forest.
> The birds just take off, just like that.
> Definitely some pre-programming involved.
>
> -p
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > thank you so much Paul and Sam, this article below gets a lot of
> attention
> > ...
> >
> > my feeling is that some combination of distribution and political
> > efficiency, must be attempted, though I'm not sure what the 'vehicle' for
> > this might be, I'm guessing it will be (re-)invented ..
> >
> > Tiberius has an idea, but not really developed, which I think is
> important
> > and promising, i.e. 'pre-programmed mass movements'
> >
> > this involves thinking ahead of contingencies such as : what do we do
> when
> > the internet is shut down, what do we do when we are physically attacked
> ..
> >
> > this is why I think that next to the quick time of spontaneous
> > mobilizations, the long time of small groups of thinkers-doers is a
> > necessity ..
> >
> > this does not mean a centralized hierarchical organisation but rather a
> > credible (as the french would say):  "force de proposition"
> >
> > when the greek crisis was on the agenda a few months back, my idea was
> that
> > we need a force of rapid intervention, that could have made the right
> > proposals at the right time (in this case, Ellen Woods of Web of Debt had
> > the most cogent, immediately applicable proposals)
> >
> > My dream/intention is to be able to describe such a few teams ... (ellen
> did
> > not reply to my emails on this however <g>)
> >
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Paul B. Hartzog <paulbhartzog at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> David,
> >> I was just reading
> >>
> >> http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2011/02/04/gladwell-proves-too-much/
> >>
> >> And saw this
> >>
> >> Activism requires not just strong ties, but also strong, centralized,
> >> hierarchical organization. Not networks. You need a hierarchy “if
> >> you’re taking on a powerful and organized establishment…”
> >>
> >> which ties in with this post Sam Rose and I just published this morning:
> >>
> >> Towards a Peer-to-Peer Strategy for Social Change
> >>
> >>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/towards-a-peer-to-peer-strategy-for-social-change/2011/02/04
> >>
> >> (see also Michel Bauwens')
> >>
> >>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/social-media-and-social-revolutions-what-is-their-relationship/2011/02/02
> >>
> >> Glad to see all the good conversation around this topic of late.
> >>
> >> -p
> >>
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