[P2P-F] Fwd: [Commoning] The Communism of Zeitgeist: Science or Science Fiction?

Thu Feb 3 15:00:53 CET 2011

thanks for your perspective Robin, I'm excerpting Andreas piece in a few
days ...

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:56 PM, robin <robokow at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great! A marxist approach to Zeitgeist. It could go a lot deeper but
> it isn't that bad.
>
> It is missing critique on the conspiracy theories that the first 2
> movies have spread, its use of bad-taste propaganda techniques in all
> movies and, possibly connected, an analysis on how this has spread in
> the first place - but it is 1 of the first coherent articles I have
> read
>
> *One* of the reasons why I think it gained so much ground is the cheap
> and poorly researched focus on banks and debt-creation as an
> explanation for our suffering; the same hollow rhetorics as nazism but
> different in terms of where fingers are pointing to. Another is that
> young people have always been bored with the system and because of the
> vacuum of good critique they are happy there is someome telling them
> we can escape.
>
> For some more about this check this:
> *
> http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist-addendum/part-one/page/8/
> * http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgiest-addendum
>
> And also the article misses critique on the state-centered approach of
> Zeitgeist/ Venus but what else can you expect from a Maxist?
>
> I take it that people on this list know that Marxism doesn't care so
> much about the means. It is the end that matters? Funny enough the
> article is arguing the same thing:
>
> "The new  Zeitgeist-movie propagates a communism in its best sense,
> and without even mentioning Marx – be it because of tactical reasons,
> be it because of a kind of narrow-mindedness (*which does not hurt as
> long as the message stays clear*)."
>
> Put it on the blog I would say if you want something that analyses
> Zeitgeist/ Venus. I don't think I have the time and energy at the
> moment to do something that I can be satisfied with, and I am sure
> others will pick it up soon, since the third movie will be getting
> even more popular.
>
> Robin.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:00 AM
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