[P2P-F] P2P and Landscape of Change

Fri Dec 30 04:20:42 CET 2011

hi Pamela, the blog and the wiki are different ...

The wiki is actually extremely easy and I never used any instructions,

after self-registering, which is self-explanatory (top right link), it just
requires choosing a Filename, clicking Create, writing or pasting your
content, which requires no specific knowledge,  and to click on Save ..
that's it really.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Pamela McLean
<pamela.mclean at dadamac.net>wrote:

> Dear Michel
>
> Thank you for your encouragement and the links.
>
> Ref  " ... why not write it out for the p2p blog?"  The answer is.... "my
> incompetence!"-  I understnd that it's a wiki.
>
> I've just put in a bit of time going to P2P http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/and I found the page
> http://p2pfoundation.net/How_To_Contribute - which rather reinforced my
> feeling that I'm unlikely to write for wikis until they pass my technical
> simplicity test of "as easy to use as a fridge".
>
> *"Socio-tech" - the people side of things*
>
> Before I totally undermine my credibility I should probably mention that
> I'm not completely digitally ignorant, but my skills and knowledge are
> patchy, and my emphasis is on "socio-tech" - the people side of things. Way
> back in the earliest days of "micro-computers" when I wanted to explore
> some practicalities of computer use in my infant classroom I used to do my
> own programming - mainly in BASIC, but with bits of machine code poked in
> as necessary.  However I did it because I wanted to investigate the
> potential of computers to alter the roles of teachers and learners, and so
> I needed to explore ideas about the user interface, and push the boundaries
> of computer useability for very young children. It was in the days before
> drop down menus and all the other things we now take for granted, and the
> children I was working with were at the earliest stages of literacy, so
> there were considerable challenges.
>
> My interests have always been on the "people" side of things not the tech
> itself. Given that my work over the past ten years has been  in
> collaboration with people in Africa my ICT skills have developed in things
> like "helping people to work together at a distance", rather than improving
> how to edit wiki pages or present things on you tube.
>
> I appreciate the benefits of wikis. Back in 2004 when I prepared a course
> to introduce ICT to teachers in rural Nigeria I was helped by an online
> group who produced a wiki for me to use with the course participants. But I
> didn't do it myself. It was done in collaboration with others. I set up the
> collaborative online group. It generated so much useful information that
> someone (Ross Gardler) suggested a wiki, and was willing to set it up.
> Others helped.
> http://www.dadamac.net/projects/education-and-training/teachers-talking
>
> As a result I had a well stocked "online resource cupboard" wiki to use
> with the participants when I presented the course - and a great support
> group online to welcome the participants to the world of the Internet. I
> was simply a user.
> *
> Need for help*
>
> I know it shouldn't really take me long to learn these things - but I
> learn by doing things with other people, not from written instructions. I
> like doing things in collaboration with other people.
> http://www.dadamac.net/node/916
>
> As a "home based worker" I have very little chance to pick up new skills
> from people working around me. I'm not someone who is interested in
> "playing with techie things" to see what they do;  I don't have the
> yearning or budget for "the latest gadgets";  I don't have members of my
> family "handing down last years tech to me". This means that my ICT skills
> tend to be limited to what I need to use on a daily basis.
>
> I live in hope of working with more collaborators/mentors who have the
> skills I lack and would help me to get stuff online (wiki entries,
> graphics, video, etc ...even straight forward write-ups). Of course that's
> not as simple as it sounds because the people with the presentation skills
> have to become familiar with the content first. I think they'd need to put
> in rather a lot of time in order to do that - or a lot of patience helping
> me to develop skills in a meaningful learn-by-doing way.
>
> Maybe it'll only happen when I've got a collaboration group working
> locally and I often go there instead of working from home. Maybe that way
> I'd be able to pick up skills and others would pick up information about
> what I'm doing.
>
> Meanwhile maybe there's someone on P2P who'd mentor me on putting the
> content onto the wiki if I did write up "Landscape of Change" for the p2p
> blog (BTW - I'm definitely not thinking of you for this Michel)
>
> Pam
>
>
> On 29 December 2011 09:18, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>
>> Dear Pam,
>>
>> thank you so much for sharing, this is a fantastic and really necessary
>> initiative .. why not write it out for the p2p blog?
>>
>> what you do there is what I have been callend 'personal p2p resilience',
>> based on the two motto's of the p2p foundation, 'together we know
>> everything, together we have everything'; we discussed teaching workshops
>> to show people what is available, but it is now on the backburner given the
>> necessity to re-orient towards paid private work
>>
>> are you familiar with the 'new work' movement but especially with the,
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Common_Security_Clubs, who are quite active in
>> the U.S. and ressemble quite a bit your ideas?
>>
>> also perhaps related could be the mutmacherei project of my very good
>> austrian friend Ira, she's in cc,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Pamela McLean <pamela.mclean at dadamac.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> (was Re: [P2P-F] 3 days to go ... important announcement on bauwens
>>> participation in mailing list and p2p curation)
>>>
>>> Thanks Michel
>>>
>>> I'll forward your email to Filipe and also send you his email address.
>>> I'm surprised you're getting negative feedback (I confess there is too much
>>> on P2P for me to read all of it, so I just dip in when titles catch my
>>> eye). I'd have expected strong positive feedback for you as it seems to me
>>> that P2P stuff is so much "of this time".
>>>
>>> *Your work and Landscape of Change*
>>>
>>> As well as your influence on my thinking, I'm enormously grateful to be
>>> able to refer to your clear explanations of various changes and trends as
>>> backup to the ideas I'm sharing in a project I'm calling Landscape of
>>> Change. I started work on it last year in response to a Panorama programme
>>> called "Finished at Fifity" - but although that was the catalyst the
>>> Landscape of Change project has much wider vision and relevance than a
>>> single target group of people over fifty who are looking for work.
>>>
>>> Landscape of Change is about reflecting on (and responding to) change as
>>> it is impacting on people's lives, making sense of those changes in the
>>> wider context, and then applying those insights in a practical way. From
>>> our changed perceptions and insights in the workshop group we look at an
>>> approach of "stronger together" - and what that means in practice. The
>>> ideas I'm sharing make a lot more sense - and carry more weight - if I can
>>> refer to background information such as your P2P work (including the recent
>>> talks).  Your work does a lot to give me more confidence - the way I see
>>> things is not just me being crazy.
>>> *
>>> Background to Landscape of Change*
>>>
>>> I started Landscape of Change because I was outraged by advice that was
>>> given in The Finished at Fifty programme to four people who had been made
>>> redundant and were trying to reposition themselves in the world of work. I
>>> thought they were being very wrongly advised (unhelpfully and potentially
>>> destructively), and so I decided to develop something more "realistic".
>>> (NB I do have credentials on the topic of being out of work and what it
>>> does to people.)
>>>
>>> As I see it, for some people (who are losing their jobs now or not able
>>> to get a first one), it is as if a tsunami has hit their "usual world of
>>> work" situation and they find themselves suddenly washed up on an island
>>> somewhere. These people get into "writing CVs mode" - they send off a
>>> succession of letters in bottles in the hope of reconnecting with their old
>>> "world of work" - not understanding the way that world more or less
>>> vanished in the waves that washed them to the island. However some of the
>>> other people washed up on the island take a different approach and decide
>>> to forget the old "world of work" place, explore the new land, and make
>>> what they can of it. How this story ends of course depends on who is on the
>>> island, what resources they can lay their hands on, and how well they
>>> collaborate. I want to encourage people to explore the new land rather than
>>> keep on putting letters in bottles. I get angry with "powers that be" who
>>> keep pushing people to try harder to make their way back to the traditional
>>> world of work as if no real deep changes are happening.
>>> *
>>> Landscape and overlaps
>>> *
>>>
>>>  Obviously I can't explain all the Landscape of Change details here. I
>>> just want you to know enough about it so it can be included in your P2P
>>> thinking as appropriate. It may even overlap in some way what you are
>>> planning do soon or in the future (I have no idea what that is). At the
>>> moment I'm in pre-launch mode. I've developed some materials for workshops,
>>> and tried them out with various people - although not with my real target
>>> groups yet. The basic workshop is designed to shift people from old ideas
>>> about work etc and get them to see some of the key patterns of change - so
>>> they are more ready to live with uncertainty. and react in new ways, in
>>> what you might describe as a P2P world - and what I describe with words
>>> like "collaboration".
>>>
>>> *Need for follow up
>>>
>>> *I decided that my preparations couldn't just stop at creating
>>> workshops - there needs to be something to follow on - and that could take
>>> a lot of time and effort to nurture properly. Having sowed the seeds
>>> related to new approaches and collaboration during the workshops - and
>>> knowing how important it is that people are not left in isolation looking
>>> for jobs that don't exist - I want make it easy for people to join
>>> "collaboration groups" after the workshops (or create their own new ones).
>>> I've now got ideas for how these groups might develop and what they might
>>> do. Even if I can't offer local groups I need to at least offer some kind
>>> of online group for people to connect with - I'd like to offer more if I
>>> have some resources.
>>>
>>> *More about collaboration groups*
>>>
>>> Another reason I want people to be able to take part in collaboration
>>> groups is because others will benefit as a result of what the collaboration
>>> groups achieve. People who are not spending all their time as wage slaves
>>> are a great resource, and there is much to be done in building our shared
>>> future. We can't afford to waste people. However I want people to take part
>>> in collaboration groups because they want to. The last thing I'd want is
>>> for collaboration groups to become some kind of compulsory government
>>> scheme for anyone who is claiming any kind of unemployment benefit. I would
>>> want to avoid that kind of image and compulsion. (If necessary I'd rather
>>> promote a collaboration group model at the opposite extreme - quite elitist
>>> - something people might even try to join in during their spare time
>>> despite still having a traditional regular job.) These are purposeful
>>> collaboration groups.
>>>
>>> Obviously I don't want to impose any ideas, and it's best for people to
>>> come up with their own, but it's a kind of "safely blanket" feeling for me
>>> to know that if people did want some ideas - even if just as a starting
>>> point for discussion - I'd have something to hand. Also if there are not
>>> enough people at the end of a workshop to make a collaboration group happen
>>> without support then I need to have at least something to point people to.
>>>
>>> *First steps*
>>>
>>> The Dadamac meetup group that I started recently could now serve as a
>>> first contact point for anyone who's been to a workshop and wants to
>>> connect with some kind of collaboration group. The people in that group are
>>> mostly people who helped me with feedback on the workshop materials - so
>>> they are familiar with the Landscape of Change basics.
>>>
>>> Given there is at least that starting point for anyone who wants to
>>> connect with a collaboration group after a workshop I could start to run
>>> workshops properly in the New Year - and hope to get other people running
>>> them too.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if I'll look for funding to help launch the Landscape of
>>> Change (workshops and collaboration groups). External resources could
>>> accelerate its uptake and development. Or maybe I'll just let it emerge.
>>> I've got various thoughts and am meeting with some of my collaborators on
>>> Friday to explore some options.
>>>
>>> *Rewards*
>>>
>>> The "rewards" for people investing time and effort in collaboration
>>> groups seem fairly obvious to me - but that's because I'm thinking from a
>>> P2P kind of viewpoint. I also look at many kinds of reward that people get,
>>> other than money, through being part of collaboration groups - build up of
>>> new networks of trust, evidence of collaboration with others, skill
>>> continuation and development, social and intellectual benefits, possibility
>>> of making things happen locally that you've not had the time or team to
>>> make happen previously, etc.
>>>
>>> This may be done while working on projects purely for social good and
>>> for no financial reward, or on projects that are being paid for at a
>>> commercial rate, or some kind of hybrid.
>>>
>>> Despite recognising all kinds of rewards and value benefits beside money
>>> it remains true that  we all do need to cover our material needs, and that
>>> is a challenge given the way things are at present. It's okay to look
>>> forward to how things may play out in a P2P world, but for now getting
>>> access to all we need for our material needs tends to require "a mix of new
>>> and traditional approaches" - which is one reason why I really appreciated
>>> the way you explained new approaches to work in London recently -
>>> especially the relationship with people/organisations who would be expected
>>> to contribute financially.
>>>
>>> *Sharing*
>>>
>>> As time goes by I hope to make all the Landscape of Change workshop
>>> resources available online for others to use (but ideally some benefit
>>> should come back if the resources are used commercially). I'd want to put
>>> up explanatory notes as well for people running workshops, not just give
>>> the diagrams that we have.
>>>
>>>  I'm not sure how it will work out, but I feel I need to share as much
>>> as I possibly can, and yet there are financiaI hurdles to overcome. Just
>>> creating the resources and setting up the meetup group has involved
>>> financial costs - and of course lots of time invested as well. I guess it
>>> is all part of the practical experiment of building the kind of
>>> collaborative future we believe in - as usual I'm learning by doing.
>>>
>>> *Progress reports*
>>>
>>> I don't know how much time I'll find to share how things are progressing
>>> - so if anyone is interested it might be a good idea to join the Dadamac
>>> meetup group - http://www.meetup.com/Dadamac/ - even if it is just to
>>> lurk there. That is where workshop follow-up collaboration groups news
>>> should gather as things start to happen.
>>>
>>> Pam
>>>
>>> On 28 December 2011 14:23, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks Pam, much appreciated ... I must say one of the additional
>>>> motivating factors was the negative feedback I have been receiving lately,
>>>> so it is always pleasant to get some kudo's as well. In any case, I have to
>>>> focus more for a while on making an income for the family.  I'm very
>>>> interested in learning about Felipe's experience!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Pamela McLean <
>>>> pamela.mclean at dadamac.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Michel
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever you are doing in 2012 I wish you well with it all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now is probably a good time to express appreciation for all I have
>>>>> learned thanks to you -  both through the p2p foudation and also directly
>>>>> from you - so - Thank you Michel.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW I note you may be in Brazil later. In the spirit of open-ness I
>>>>> share the fact that one of the members of Dadamac meetup
>>>>> http://www.meetup.com/Dadamac/ - Felipe - spent a year in South
>>>>> America visiting local grass roots initiatives of various kinds and
>>>>> thinking how best to share information more widely about things that work
>>>>> well. When I met him he was recently back and in London trying to share
>>>>> what he had learned. I could put you in contact if his interests seem to
>>>>> overlap your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pam
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28 December 2011 12:11, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an important announcement, in 3 days, I will provisionally retire
>>>>>> from the p2p-f mailing list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Material conditions make it impossible for me to continue 'curation
>>>>>> as usual', as well as efforts in broader community building and dialogue.
>>>>>> From January to April, I will be working intensively on a very demanding
>>>>>> privately-funded research project, then I have a late spring lecture tour,
>>>>>> and will likely spend 6 weeks in brazil, mid-may to the end of June.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curation will be sharply curtailed but I will continue tagging as a
>>>>>> normal activity, undertaken for the research project. Depending on
>>>>>> available time, I will continue, on a much lighter regime, Facebook and
>>>>>> Scoop.it. Twitter will continue to alert new blog and wiki items, as an
>>>>>> automatic feature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The blog will continue and I have devised a system with Franco, see
>>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Planning_Resources, but I will at
>>>>>> most be able to spend half a day a week on it, so input from the community
>>>>>> will be essential. I will aim for one personal editorial a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to suggest items for the following permanent rubrics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (bear in mind we may not be able to publish as intensely as the plan
>>>>>> below suggests)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Published on alternative days
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. P2P Blog Movement of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Movement_of_the_Day>‎
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    2. P2P Blog Person of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Person_of_the_Day>‎‎
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. P2P Blog Essay of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Essay_of_the_Day>
>>>>>>    2. P2P Blog Book of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Book_of_the_Day>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Published every day:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. P2P Blog Video of the Day‎‎<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Video_of_the_Day>
>>>>>>    2. P2P Blog News of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_News_of_the_Day>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Important,* I will not read the mailing list for at least 4 months
>>>>>> starting January 1, so if you want me to see something, it's important to
>>>>>> cc.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>
>>
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