<br>hi Pamela, the blog and the wiki are different ...<br><br>The wiki is actually extremely easy and I never used any instructions,<br><br>after self-registering, which is self-explanatory (top right link), it just requires choosing a Filename, clicking Create, writing or pasting your content, which requires no specific knowledge, and to click on Save .. that's it really.<br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Pamela McLean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pamela.mclean@dadamac.net">pamela.mclean@dadamac.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Dear Michel<br><br>Thank you for your encouragement and the links.<br><br>Ref " ... why not write it out for the p2p blog?" The answer is.... "my incompetence!"- I understnd that it's a wiki.<br>
<br>I've just put in a bit of time going to P2P
<a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/</a> and I found the page
<a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/How_To_Contribute" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/How_To_Contribute</a> - which rather reinforced my
feeling that I'm unlikely to write for wikis until they pass my technical
simplicity test of "as easy to use as a fridge".<br><br><b>"Socio-tech" - the people side of things</b><br><br>Before I totally undermine my credibility I should probably mention that I'm not completely digitally ignorant, but my skills and knowledge are patchy, and my emphasis is on "socio-tech" - the people side of things. Way back in the earliest days of
"micro-computers" when I wanted to explore some practicalities of computer use in my infant classroom I used to do my own programming - mainly in BASIC, but with bits of machine code poked in as necessary. However I did it because I wanted to investigate the potential of computers to alter the roles of teachers and learners, and so I needed to explore ideas about the user interface, and push the boundaries of computer useability for very young children. It was in the days before drop down menus and all the other things we now take for granted, and the children I was working with were at the earliest stages of literacy, so there were considerable challenges.<br>
<br>My interests have always been on the "people" side of things not the
tech itself. Given that my work over the past ten years has been in collaboration with people in Africa my ICT skills have developed in things like "helping people
to work together at a distance", rather than improving how to edit wiki pages or present things on you tube. <br><br>I appreciate the benefits of wikis. Back in 2004 when I prepared a course to introduce ICT to teachers in rural Nigeria I was helped by an online group who produced a wiki for me to use with the course participants. But I didn't do it myself. It was done in collaboration with others. I set up the collaborative online group. It generated so much useful information that someone (Ross Gardler) suggested a wiki, and was willing to set it up. Others helped. <a href="http://www.dadamac.net/projects/education-and-training/teachers-talking" target="_blank">http://www.dadamac.net/projects/education-and-training/teachers-talking</a> <br>
<br>As a result I had a well stocked "online resource cupboard" wiki to use with the participants when I presented the course - and a great support group online to welcome the participants to the world of the Internet. I was simply a user. <br>
<b><br>Need for help</b><br><br>I know it shouldn't really take me long to
learn these things - but I learn by doing things with other people, not
from written instructions. I like doing things in collaboration with other people. <a href="http://www.dadamac.net/node/916" target="_blank">http://www.dadamac.net/node/916</a><br>
<br>As a "home based worker" I have very little chance to pick up new skills
from people working around me. I'm not someone who is interested in
"playing with techie things" to see what they do; I don't have the
yearning or budget for "the latest gadgets"; I don't have members of my
family "handing down last years tech to me". This means that my ICT
skills tend to be limited to what I need to use on a daily basis. <br><br>I live in hope of working with more collaborators/mentors who have the skills I lack and would help me to get stuff online (wiki entries, graphics, video, etc ...even straight forward write-ups). Of course that's not as simple as it sounds because the people with the presentation skills have to become familiar with the content first. I think they'd need to put in rather a lot of time in order to do that - or a lot of patience helping me to develop skills in a meaningful learn-by-doing way. <br>
<br>Maybe it'll only happen when I've got a collaboration group working locally and I often go there instead of working from home. Maybe that way I'd be able to pick up skills and others would pick up information about what I'm doing. <br>
<br>Meanwhile maybe there's someone on P2P who'd mentor me on putting the content onto the wiki if I did write up "Landscape of Change" for the p2p blog (BTW - I'm definitely not thinking of you for this Michel) <br>
<br>Pam<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 December 2011 09:18, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dear Pam,<br><br>thank you so much for sharing, this is a fantastic and really necessary initiative .. why not write it out for the p2p blog?<br><br>what you do there is what I have been callend 'personal p2p resilience', based on the two motto's of the p2p foundation, 'together we know everything, together we have everything'; we discussed teaching workshops to show people what is available, but it is now on the backburner given the necessity to re-orient towards paid private work<br>
<br>are you familiar with the 'new work' movement but especially with the, <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Common_Security_Clubs" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Common_Security_Clubs</a>, who are quite active in the U.S. and ressemble quite a bit your ideas?<br>
<br>also perhaps related could be the mutmacherei project of my very good austrian friend Ira, she's in cc,<br><br>Michel<div><div><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Pamela McLean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pamela.mclean@dadamac.net" target="_blank">pamela.mclean@dadamac.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">(was Re: [P2P-F] 3 days to go ... important announcement on bauwens participation in mailing list and p2p curation)<br>
<br>Thanks Michel <br>
<br>
I'll forward your email to Filipe and also send you his email address.
I'm surprised you're getting negative feedback (I confess there is too
much on P2P for me to read all of it, so I just dip in when titles catch my eye). I'd have expected strong positive
feedback for you as it seems to me that P2P stuff is so much "of this
time". <br>
<br>
<b>Your work and Landscape of Change</b><br>
<br>
As well as your influence on my thinking, I'm enormously grateful to be
able to refer to your clear explanations of various changes and trends
as backup to the ideas I'm sharing in a project I'm calling Landscape of
Change. I started work on it last year in response to a Panorama
programme called "Finished at Fifity" - but although that was the
catalyst the Landscape of Change project has much wider vision and
relevance than a single target group of people over fifty who are
looking for work. <br>
<br>
Landscape of Change is about reflecting on (and responding to) change as
it is impacting on people's lives, making sense of those changes in the
wider context, and then applying those insights in a practical way.
>From our changed perceptions and insights in the workshop group we look
at an approach of "stronger together" - and what that means in practice.
The ideas I'm sharing make a lot more sense - and carry more weight -
if I can refer to background information such as your P2P work
(including the recent talks). Your work does a lot to give me more
confidence - the way I see things is not just me being crazy.<br>
<b><br>
Background to Landscape of Change</b><br>
<br>
I started Landscape of Change because I was outraged by advice that was
given in The Finished at Fifty programme to four people who had been
made redundant and were trying to reposition themselves in the world of
work. I thought they were being very wrongly advised (unhelpfully and
potentially destructively), and so I decided to develop something more
"realistic". (NB I do have credentials on the topic of being out of work and what it does to people.)<br>
<br>
As I see it, for some people (who are losing their jobs now or not able
to get a first one), it is as if a tsunami has hit their "usual world of
work" situation and they find themselves suddenly washed up on an
island somewhere. These people get into "writing CVs mode" - they send
off a succession of letters in bottles in the hope of reconnecting with
their old "world of work" - not understanding the way that world more or
less vanished in the waves that washed them to the island. However some
of the other people washed up on the island take a different approach
and decide to forget the old "world of work" place, explore the new
land, and make what they can of it. How this story ends of course
depends on who is on the island, what resources they can lay their hands
on, and how well they collaborate. I want to encourage people to
explore the new land rather than keep on putting letters in bottles. I
get angry with "powers that be" who keep pushing people to try harder to
make their way back to the traditional world of work as if no real deep
changes are happening.<br>
<b><br>
Landscape and overlaps<br>
</b>
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</div>
Obviously I can't explain all the Landscape of Change details here. I
just want you to know
enough about it so it can be included in your P2P thinking as
appropriate. It may even overlap in some way what you are planning do
soon or in the future (I have no idea what that is). At the moment I'm
in pre-launch mode. I've developed some materials for workshops, and
tried them out with various people - although not with my real target
groups yet. The basic workshop is designed to shift people from old
ideas about work etc and get them to see some of the key patterns of
change - so they are more ready to live with uncertainty. and react in
new ways, in what you might describe as a P2P world - and what I
describe with words like "collaboration". <br>
<br>
<b>Need for follow up<br>
<br>
</b>I decided that my preparations couldn't just stop at creating
workshops - there needs to be something to follow on - and that could
take a lot of time and effort to nurture properly. Having sowed the
seeds related to new approaches and collaboration during the workshops -
and knowing how important it is that people are not left in isolation
looking for jobs that don't exist - I want make it easy for people to
join "collaboration groups" after the workshops (or create their own new
ones). I've now got ideas for how these groups might develop and what
they might do. Even if I can't offer local groups I need to at least
offer some kind of online group for people to connect with - I'd like to
offer more if I have some resources. <br>
<br>
<b>More about collaboration groups</b><br>
<br>
Another reason I want people to be able to take part in collaboration
groups is because others will benefit as a result of what the
collaboration groups achieve. People who are not spending all their time
as wage slaves are a great resource, and there is much to be done in
building our shared future. We can't afford to waste people. However I
want people to take part in collaboration groups because they want to.
The last thing I'd want is for collaboration groups to become some kind
of compulsory government scheme for anyone who is claiming any kind of
unemployment benefit. I would want to avoid that kind of image and
compulsion. (If necessary I'd rather promote a collaboration group model
at the opposite extreme - quite elitist - something people might even
try to join in during their spare time despite still having a
traditional regular job.) These are purposeful collaboration groups. <br>
<br>
Obviously I don't want to impose any ideas, and it's best for people to
come up with their own, but it's a kind of "safely blanket" feeling for
me to know that if people did want some ideas - even if just as a
starting point for discussion - I'd have something to hand. Also if
there are not enough people at the end of a workshop to make a
collaboration group happen without support then I need to have at least
something to point people to. <br>
<br>
<b>First steps</b><br>
<br>
The Dadamac meetup group that I started recently could now serve as a
first contact point for anyone who's been to a workshop and wants to
connect with some kind of collaboration group. The people in that group
are mostly people who helped me with feedback on the workshop materials -
so they are familiar with the Landscape of Change basics. <br>
<br>
Given there is at least that starting point for anyone who wants to
connect with a collaboration group after a workshop I could start to run
workshops properly in the New Year - and hope to get other people
running them too. <br>
<br>
I'm not sure if I'll look for funding to help launch the Landscape of
Change (workshops and collaboration groups). External resources could
accelerate its uptake and development. Or maybe I'll just let it emerge.
I've got various thoughts and am
meeting with some of my collaborators on Friday to explore some options.<br>
<br>
<b>Rewards</b><br>
<br>
The "rewards" for people investing time and effort in collaboration
groups seem fairly obvious to me - but that's because I'm thinking from a
P2P kind of viewpoint. I also look at many kinds of reward that people
get, other than money, through being part of collaboration groups -
build up of new networks of trust, evidence of collaboration with
others, skill continuation and development, social and intellectual
benefits, possibility of making things happen locally that you've not
had the time or team to make happen previously, etc. <br>
<br>
This may be done while working on projects purely for social good and
for no financial reward, or on projects that are being paid for at a
commercial rate, or some kind of hybrid.<br>
<br>
Despite recognising all kinds of rewards and value benefits beside money
it remains true that we all do need to cover our material needs, and
that is a challenge given the way things are at present. It's okay to
look forward to how things may play out in a P2P world, but for now
getting access to all we need for our material needs tends to require "a
mix of new and traditional approaches" - which is one reason why I
really appreciated the way you explained new approaches to work in
London recently - especially the relationship with people/organisations
who would be expected to contribute financially. <br>
<br>
<b>Sharing</b><br>
<br>
As time goes by I hope to make all the Landscape of Change workshop
resources available online for others to use (but ideally some benefit
should come back if the resources are used commercially). I'd want to
put up explanatory notes as well for people running workshops, not just
give the diagrams that we have.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure how it will work out, but I feel I need to share as much
as I possibly can, and yet there are financiaI hurdles to overcome. Just
creating the resources and setting up the meetup group has involved
financial costs - and of course lots of time invested as well. I guess
it is all part of the practical experiment of building the kind of
collaborative future we believe in - as usual I'm learning by doing. <br>
<br>
<b>Progress reports</b><br>
<br>
I don't know how much time I'll find to share how things are progressing
- so if anyone is interested it might be a good idea to join the
Dadamac meetup group - <a href="http://www.meetup.com/Dadamac/" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/Dadamac/</a> - even if it is
just to lurk there. That is where workshop follow-up collaboration
groups news should gather as things start to happen. <br>
<br>
Pam<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 December 2011 14:23, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
thanks Pam, much appreciated ... I must say one of the additional motivating factors was the negative feedback I have been receiving lately, so it is always pleasant to get some kudo's as well. In any case, I have to focus more for a while on making an income for the family. I'm very interested in learning about Felipe's experience!!<div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Pamela McLean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pamela.mclean@dadamac.net" target="_blank">pamela.mclean@dadamac.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Dear Michel<br>
<br>
Whatever you are doing in 2012 I wish you well with it all. <br>
<br>
Now is probably a good time to express appreciation for all I have
learned thanks to you - both through the p2p foudation and also
directly from you - so - Thank you Michel. <br>
<br>
BTW I note you may be in Brazil later. In the spirit of open-ness I share the fact that one of the members of Dadamac meetup <a href="http://www.meetup.com/Dadamac/" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/Dadamac/</a>
- Felipe - spent a year in South America visiting local grass roots
initiatives of various kinds and thinking how best to share information
more widely about things that work well. When I met him he was recently
back and in London trying to share what he had learned. I could put you in contact if his interests seem to overlap your own.<br>
<br>
Pam<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On 28 December 2011 12:11, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dear friends,<br><br>an important announcement, in 3 days, I will provisionally retire from the p2p-f mailing list.<br><br>Material conditions make it impossible for me to continue 'curation as usual', as well as efforts in broader community building and dialogue. From January to April, I will be working intensively on a very demanding privately-funded research project, then I have a late spring lecture tour, and will likely spend 6 weeks in brazil, mid-may to the end of June.<br>
<br>Curation will be sharply curtailed but I will continue tagging as a normal activity, undertaken for the research project. Depending on available time, I will continue, on a much lighter regime, Facebook and Scoop.it. Twitter will continue to alert new blog and wiki items, as an automatic feature.<br>
<br>The blog will continue and I have devised a system with Franco, see <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Planning_Resources" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Planning_Resources</a>, but I will at most be able to spend half a day a week on it, so input from the community will be essential. I will aim for one personal editorial a week.<br>
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