[P2P-F] P2P and Landscape of Change

Thu Dec 29 16:06:26 CET 2011

Dear Michel

Thank you for your encouragement and the links.

Ref  " ... why not write it out for the p2p blog?"  The answer is.... "my
incompetence!"-  I understnd that it's a wiki.

I've just put in a bit of time going to P2P
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/and I found the page
http://p2pfoundation.net/How_To_Contribute - which rather reinforced my
feeling that I'm unlikely to write for wikis until they pass my technical
simplicity test of "as easy to use as a fridge".

*"Socio-tech" - the people side of things*

Before I totally undermine my credibility I should probably mention that
I'm not completely digitally ignorant, but my skills and knowledge are
patchy, and my emphasis is on "socio-tech" - the people side of things. Way
back in the earliest days of "micro-computers" when I wanted to explore
some practicalities of computer use in my infant classroom I used to do my
own programming - mainly in BASIC, but with bits of machine code poked in
as necessary.  However I did it because I wanted to investigate the
potential of computers to alter the roles of teachers and learners, and so
I needed to explore ideas about the user interface, and push the boundaries
of computer useability for very young children. It was in the days before
drop down menus and all the other things we now take for granted, and the
children I was working with were at the earliest stages of literacy, so
there were considerable challenges.

My interests have always been on the "people" side of things not the tech
itself. Given that my work over the past ten years has been  in
collaboration with people in Africa my ICT skills have developed in things
like "helping people to work together at a distance", rather than improving
how to edit wiki pages or present things on you tube.

I appreciate the benefits of wikis. Back in 2004 when I prepared a course
to introduce ICT to teachers in rural Nigeria I was helped by an online
group who produced a wiki for me to use with the course participants. But I
didn't do it myself. It was done in collaboration with others. I set up the
collaborative online group. It generated so much useful information that
someone (Ross Gardler) suggested a wiki, and was willing to set it up.
Others helped.
http://www.dadamac.net/projects/education-and-training/teachers-talking

As a result I had a well stocked "online resource cupboard" wiki to use
with the participants when I presented the course - and a great support
group online to welcome the participants to the world of the Internet. I
was simply a user.
*
Need for help*

I know it shouldn't really take me long to learn these things - but I learn
by doing things with other people, not from written instructions. I like
doing things in collaboration with other people.
http://www.dadamac.net/node/916

As a "home based worker" I have very little chance to pick up new skills
from people working around me. I'm not someone who is interested in
"playing with techie things" to see what they do;  I don't have the
yearning or budget for "the latest gadgets";  I don't have members of my
family "handing down last years tech to me". This means that my ICT skills
tend to be limited to what I need to use on a daily basis.

I live in hope of working with more collaborators/mentors who have the
skills I lack and would help me to get stuff online (wiki entries,
graphics, video, etc ...even straight forward write-ups). Of course that's
not as simple as it sounds because the people with the presentation skills
have to become familiar with the content first. I think they'd need to put
in rather a lot of time in order to do that - or a lot of patience helping
me to develop skills in a meaningful learn-by-doing way.

Maybe it'll only happen when I've got a collaboration group working locally
and I often go there instead of working from home. Maybe that way I'd be
able to pick up skills and others would pick up information about what I'm
doing.

Meanwhile maybe there's someone on P2P who'd mentor me on putting the
content onto the wiki if I did write up "Landscape of Change" for the p2p
blog (BTW - I'm definitely not thinking of you for this Michel)

Pam

On 29 December 2011 09:18, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

> Dear Pam,
>
> thank you so much for sharing, this is a fantastic and really necessary
> initiative .. why not write it out for the p2p blog?
>
> what you do there is what I have been callend 'personal p2p resilience',
> based on the two motto's of the p2p foundation, 'together we know
> everything, together we have everything'; we discussed teaching workshops
> to show people what is available, but it is now on the backburner given the
> necessity to re-orient towards paid private work
>
> are you familiar with the 'new work' movement but especially with the,
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Common_Security_Clubs, who are quite active in
> the U.S. and ressemble quite a bit your ideas?
>
> also perhaps related could be the mutmacherei project of my very good
> austrian friend Ira, she's in cc,
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Pamela McLean <pamela.mclean at dadamac.net>wrote:
>
>> (was Re: [P2P-F] 3 days to go ... important announcement on bauwens
>> participation in mailing list and p2p curation)
>>
>> Thanks Michel
>>
>> I'll forward your email to Filipe and also send you his email address.
>> I'm surprised you're getting negative feedback (I confess there is too much
>> on P2P for me to read all of it, so I just dip in when titles catch my
>> eye). I'd have expected strong positive feedback for you as it seems to me
>> that P2P stuff is so much "of this time".
>>
>> *Your work and Landscape of Change*
>>
>> As well as your influence on my thinking, I'm enormously grateful to be
>> able to refer to your clear explanations of various changes and trends as
>> backup to the ideas I'm sharing in a project I'm calling Landscape of
>> Change. I started work on it last year in response to a Panorama programme
>> called "Finished at Fifity" - but although that was the catalyst the
>> Landscape of Change project has much wider vision and relevance than a
>> single target group of people over fifty who are looking for work.
>>
>> Landscape of Change is about reflecting on (and responding to) change as
>> it is impacting on people's lives, making sense of those changes in the
>> wider context, and then applying those insights in a practical way. From
>> our changed perceptions and insights in the workshop group we look at an
>> approach of "stronger together" - and what that means in practice. The
>> ideas I'm sharing make a lot more sense - and carry more weight - if I can
>> refer to background information such as your P2P work (including the recent
>> talks).  Your work does a lot to give me more confidence - the way I see
>> things is not just me being crazy.
>> *
>> Background to Landscape of Change*
>>
>> I started Landscape of Change because I was outraged by advice that was
>> given in The Finished at Fifty programme to four people who had been made
>> redundant and were trying to reposition themselves in the world of work. I
>> thought they were being very wrongly advised (unhelpfully and potentially
>> destructively), and so I decided to develop something more "realistic".
>> (NB I do have credentials on the topic of being out of work and what it
>> does to people.)
>>
>> As I see it, for some people (who are losing their jobs now or not able
>> to get a first one), it is as if a tsunami has hit their "usual world of
>> work" situation and they find themselves suddenly washed up on an island
>> somewhere. These people get into "writing CVs mode" - they send off a
>> succession of letters in bottles in the hope of reconnecting with their old
>> "world of work" - not understanding the way that world more or less
>> vanished in the waves that washed them to the island. However some of the
>> other people washed up on the island take a different approach and decide
>> to forget the old "world of work" place, explore the new land, and make
>> what they can of it. How this story ends of course depends on who is on the
>> island, what resources they can lay their hands on, and how well they
>> collaborate. I want to encourage people to explore the new land rather than
>> keep on putting letters in bottles. I get angry with "powers that be" who
>> keep pushing people to try harder to make their way back to the traditional
>> world of work as if no real deep changes are happening.
>> *
>> Landscape and overlaps
>> *
>>
>>  Obviously I can't explain all the Landscape of Change details here. I
>> just want you to know enough about it so it can be included in your P2P
>> thinking as appropriate. It may even overlap in some way what you are
>> planning do soon or in the future (I have no idea what that is). At the
>> moment I'm in pre-launch mode. I've developed some materials for workshops,
>> and tried them out with various people - although not with my real target
>> groups yet. The basic workshop is designed to shift people from old ideas
>> about work etc and get them to see some of the key patterns of change - so
>> they are more ready to live with uncertainty. and react in new ways, in
>> what you might describe as a P2P world - and what I describe with words
>> like "collaboration".
>>
>> *Need for follow up
>>
>> *I decided that my preparations couldn't just stop at creating workshops
>> - there needs to be something to follow on - and that could take a lot of
>> time and effort to nurture properly. Having sowed the seeds related to new
>> approaches and collaboration during the workshops - and knowing how
>> important it is that people are not left in isolation looking for jobs that
>> don't exist - I want make it easy for people to join "collaboration groups"
>> after the workshops (or create their own new ones).  I've now got ideas for
>> how these groups might develop and what they might do. Even if I can't
>> offer local groups I need to at least offer some kind of online group for
>> people to connect with - I'd like to offer more if I have some resources.
>>
>> *More about collaboration groups*
>>
>> Another reason I want people to be able to take part in collaboration
>> groups is because others will benefit as a result of what the collaboration
>> groups achieve. People who are not spending all their time as wage slaves
>> are a great resource, and there is much to be done in building our shared
>> future. We can't afford to waste people. However I want people to take part
>> in collaboration groups because they want to. The last thing I'd want is
>> for collaboration groups to become some kind of compulsory government
>> scheme for anyone who is claiming any kind of unemployment benefit. I would
>> want to avoid that kind of image and compulsion. (If necessary I'd rather
>> promote a collaboration group model at the opposite extreme - quite elitist
>> - something people might even try to join in during their spare time
>> despite still having a traditional regular job.) These are purposeful
>> collaboration groups.
>>
>> Obviously I don't want to impose any ideas, and it's best for people to
>> come up with their own, but it's a kind of "safely blanket" feeling for me
>> to know that if people did want some ideas - even if just as a starting
>> point for discussion - I'd have something to hand. Also if there are not
>> enough people at the end of a workshop to make a collaboration group happen
>> without support then I need to have at least something to point people to.
>>
>> *First steps*
>>
>> The Dadamac meetup group that I started recently could now serve as a
>> first contact point for anyone who's been to a workshop and wants to
>> connect with some kind of collaboration group. The people in that group are
>> mostly people who helped me with feedback on the workshop materials - so
>> they are familiar with the Landscape of Change basics.
>>
>> Given there is at least that starting point for anyone who wants to
>> connect with a collaboration group after a workshop I could start to run
>> workshops properly in the New Year - and hope to get other people running
>> them too.
>>
>> I'm not sure if I'll look for funding to help launch the Landscape of
>> Change (workshops and collaboration groups). External resources could
>> accelerate its uptake and development. Or maybe I'll just let it emerge.
>> I've got various thoughts and am meeting with some of my collaborators on
>> Friday to explore some options.
>>
>> *Rewards*
>>
>> The "rewards" for people investing time and effort in collaboration
>> groups seem fairly obvious to me - but that's because I'm thinking from a
>> P2P kind of viewpoint. I also look at many kinds of reward that people get,
>> other than money, through being part of collaboration groups - build up of
>> new networks of trust, evidence of collaboration with others, skill
>> continuation and development, social and intellectual benefits, possibility
>> of making things happen locally that you've not had the time or team to
>> make happen previously, etc.
>>
>> This may be done while working on projects purely for social good and for
>> no financial reward, or on projects that are being paid for at a commercial
>> rate, or some kind of hybrid.
>>
>> Despite recognising all kinds of rewards and value benefits beside money
>> it remains true that  we all do need to cover our material needs, and that
>> is a challenge given the way things are at present. It's okay to look
>> forward to how things may play out in a P2P world, but for now getting
>> access to all we need for our material needs tends to require "a mix of new
>> and traditional approaches" - which is one reason why I really appreciated
>> the way you explained new approaches to work in London recently -
>> especially the relationship with people/organisations who would be expected
>> to contribute financially.
>>
>> *Sharing*
>>
>> As time goes by I hope to make all the Landscape of Change workshop
>> resources available online for others to use (but ideally some benefit
>> should come back if the resources are used commercially). I'd want to put
>> up explanatory notes as well for people running workshops, not just give
>> the diagrams that we have.
>>
>>  I'm not sure how it will work out, but I feel I need to share as much as
>> I possibly can, and yet there are financiaI hurdles to overcome. Just
>> creating the resources and setting up the meetup group has involved
>> financial costs - and of course lots of time invested as well. I guess it
>> is all part of the practical experiment of building the kind of
>> collaborative future we believe in - as usual I'm learning by doing.
>>
>> *Progress reports*
>>
>> I don't know how much time I'll find to share how things are progressing
>> - so if anyone is interested it might be a good idea to join the Dadamac
>> meetup group - http://www.meetup.com/Dadamac/ - even if it is just to
>> lurk there. That is where workshop follow-up collaboration groups news
>> should gather as things start to happen.
>>
>> Pam
>>
>> On 28 December 2011 14:23, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>>
>>> thanks Pam, much appreciated ... I must say one of the additional
>>> motivating factors was the negative feedback I have been receiving lately,
>>> so it is always pleasant to get some kudo's as well. In any case, I have to
>>> focus more for a while on making an income for the family.  I'm very
>>> interested in learning about Felipe's experience!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Pamela McLean <
>>> pamela.mclean at dadamac.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Michel
>>>>
>>>> Whatever you are doing in 2012 I wish you well with it all.
>>>>
>>>> Now is probably a good time to express appreciation for all I have
>>>> learned thanks to you -  both through the p2p foudation and also directly
>>>> from you - so - Thank you Michel.
>>>>
>>>> BTW I note you may be in Brazil later. In the spirit of open-ness I
>>>> share the fact that one of the members of Dadamac meetup
>>>> http://www.meetup.com/Dadamac/ - Felipe - spent a year in South
>>>> America visiting local grass roots initiatives of various kinds and
>>>> thinking how best to share information more widely about things that work
>>>> well. When I met him he was recently back and in London trying to share
>>>> what he had learned. I could put you in contact if his interests seem to
>>>> overlap your own.
>>>>
>>>> Pam
>>>>
>>>> On 28 December 2011 12:11, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> an important announcement, in 3 days, I will provisionally retire from
>>>>> the p2p-f mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Material conditions make it impossible for me to continue 'curation as
>>>>> usual', as well as efforts in broader community building and dialogue. From
>>>>> January to April, I will be working intensively on a very demanding
>>>>> privately-funded research project, then I have a late spring lecture tour,
>>>>> and will likely spend 6 weeks in brazil, mid-may to the end of June.
>>>>>
>>>>> Curation will be sharply curtailed but I will continue tagging as a
>>>>> normal activity, undertaken for the research project. Depending on
>>>>> available time, I will continue, on a much lighter regime, Facebook and
>>>>> Scoop.it. Twitter will continue to alert new blog and wiki items, as an
>>>>> automatic feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> The blog will continue and I have devised a system with Franco, see
>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Planning_Resources, but I will at
>>>>> most be able to spend half a day a week on it, so input from the community
>>>>> will be essential. I will aim for one personal editorial a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to suggest items for the following permanent rubrics:
>>>>>
>>>>> (bear in mind we may not be able to publish as intensely as the plan
>>>>> below suggests)
>>>>>
>>>>> Published on alternative days
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. P2P Blog Movement of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Movement_of_the_Day>‎
>>>>>
>>>>>    2. P2P Blog Person of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Person_of_the_Day>‎‎
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. P2P Blog Essay of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Essay_of_the_Day>
>>>>>    2. P2P Blog Book of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Book_of_the_Day>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Published every day:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. P2P Blog Video of the Day‎‎<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_Video_of_the_Day>
>>>>>    2. P2P Blog News of the Day<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Blog_News_of_the_Day>
>>>>>
>>>>> Important,* I will not read the mailing list for at least 4 months
>>>>> starting January 1, so if you want me to see something, it's important to
>>>>> cc.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
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