[P2P-F] a reminder of ron paul's positions

Fri Dec 30 04:12:51 CET 2011

I agree with that assessment, but voting for a canditade you disagree with
is very dangerous, as Michael gurstein points out, but the most important
thing is that people actually know what Ron Paul stands for, and that story
still needs to be told. Then people can vote in conscience,

One thing is to focus on issues that many progressive people can agree
with, like Nader's agreement, but this should not obfuscate the other parts
of the program.

Michel

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM, David Rose <dr4823 at gmail.com> wrote:

> To critique Ron Paul on his policies and statements about race is to
> miss what the Ron Paul political movement means. Its about a popular
> desire to disenfranchise the elites who have dominated American
> political life since the Civil War.  Its about removing an entire
> privileged class from their position of power. As I written before,
> his polices and beliefs maybe nuts, irrational and racist but people
> are not supporting his policies. They want to send a message to the
> elites by voting for Ron Paul. Its the ultimate negative, protest vote
> from a nation that no longer believes in liberal democracy.
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Michel Bauwens
> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
> > this seems a balanced view of the race aspects:
> >
> > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30079.htm
> >
> > this one distinguishes between certain of his supporters and his own
> views
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html
> >
> > more critical approaches:
> >
> >
> http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/ron-paul-anti-war-anti-veteran-opportunist-hypocrite
> >
> > http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/05/don%e2%80%99t-fall-for-ron-paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Devin Balkind <
> devin at sarapisfoundation.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> And he's racist!
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i3EADdr-5AY
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> via  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/28/1049410/-Ron-Paul-Really
> ?
> >>>
> >>> He does not believe the federal government should play any role in the
> >>> provision of health care.  He does not believe that illegal aliens
> should be
> >>> provided emergency health care.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Paul doesn't believe in environmental protection . . . at all.  He
> >>> would rely on the market to protect the environment.  He does not
> believe
> >>> climate change is a major problem.
> >>>
> >>> Liberals are angry because President Obama is wrestling with his own
> >>> beliefs and has not come out strongly in favor of gay marriage.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> he does not believe the Federal government should interfere with the
> >>> rights of same-sex couples to marry, he does not support gay marriage
> - he
> >>> believes it should be up to individual states.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Paul would never intervene in any situation, even for humanitarian
> >>> reasons such as Darfur or the Sudan. This includes "financial
> interference".
> >>>  He believes the U.S. should withdraw from the U.N.
> >>>
> >>> He also believes we should erect a 700 mile long wall between the U.S.
> >>> and Mexico.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Paul signed the Anti-Abortion Pledge.  He introduced the "Sanctity
> of
> >>> Life Act which defined life as beginning at conception.  He does not
> >>> recognize the right to privacy underlying Roe v. Wade
> >>>
> >>> Ron Paul would eliminate the following agencies:  The Department of
> >>> Education,  The Department of Energy, The Commerce Department, Health
> and
> >>> Human Services, FEMA, the Interstate Commerce Commission, and the IRS
> and
> >>> the Federal Reserve. He has signed a pledge not to raise taxes or
> create new
> >>> taxes.
> >>>
> >>> Under Ron Paul, there would not have been any stimulus, and the auto
> >>> industry would be dead in the water.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Paul does not believe the government has the right to institute an
> >>> income tax on anyone.  He has indicated he would support a flat 10%
> tax, or
> >>> a national sales tax, both of which are regressive and would have a
> greater
> >>> impact on the poor and middle class.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Paul opposes any government interference with the free market,
> >>> especially any new regulations on Wall Street.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Paul:
> >>>
> >>> Does not believe in the separation of church and state.
> >>>
> >>> Thinks school prayer should be allowed (but not mandatory)
> >>>
> >>> Thinks the left "hates religion"
> >>>
> >>> Introduced a bill that would allow pilots to carry guns on planes.
> >>>
> >>> Introduce a bill making flag burning illegal.
> >>>
> >>> Does not support any gun regulations, even against assault rifles.
> >>>
> >>> Thinks the census collects information that is none of the government's
> >>> business
> >>>
> >>> Opposed renewal of the Voting Rights Act.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >> --
> >> Devin Balkind
> >> Director, Sarapis Foundation
> >> devin at sarapisfoundation.org
> >> @devinbalkind
> >>
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