[P2P-F] a reminder of ron paul's positions

Fri Dec 30 06:21:24 CET 2011

Nader and Paul signed statements of agreement in 2008:
http://www.votenader.org/weagree/

If occupies and tea parties did the same, we could mount a serious campaign
against the establishment.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Michel Bauwens
<michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:

> I agree with that assessment, but voting for a canditade you disagree with
> is very dangerous, as Michael gurstein points out, but the most important
> thing is that people actually know what Ron Paul stands for, and that story
> still needs to be told. Then people can vote in conscience,
>
> One thing is to focus on issues that many progressive people can agree
> with, like Nader's agreement, but this should not obfuscate the other parts
> of the program.
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM, David Rose <dr4823 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To critique Ron Paul on his policies and statements about race is to
>> miss what the Ron Paul political movement means. Its about a popular
>> desire to disenfranchise the elites who have dominated American
>> political life since the Civil War.  Its about removing an entire
>> privileged class from their position of power. As I written before,
>> his polices and beliefs maybe nuts, irrational and racist but people
>> are not supporting his policies. They want to send a message to the
>> elites by voting for Ron Paul. Its the ultimate negative, protest vote
>> from a nation that no longer believes in liberal democracy.
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Michel Bauwens
>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>> > this seems a balanced view of the race aspects:
>> >
>> > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30079.htm
>> >
>> > this one distinguishes between certain of his supporters and his own
>> views
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html
>> >
>> > more critical approaches:
>> >
>> >
>> http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/ron-paul-anti-war-anti-veteran-opportunist-hypocrite
>> >
>> > http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/05/don%e2%80%99t-fall-for-ron-paul
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Devin Balkind <
>> devin at sarapisfoundation.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And he's racist!
>> >>
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i3EADdr-5AY
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>> michel at p2pfoundation.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> via
>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/28/1049410/-Ron-Paul-Really?
>> >>>
>> >>> He does not believe the federal government should play any role in the
>> >>> provision of health care.  He does not believe that illegal aliens
>> should be
>> >>> provided emergency health care.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ron Paul doesn't believe in environmental protection . . . at all.  He
>> >>> would rely on the market to protect the environment.  He does not
>> believe
>> >>> climate change is a major problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> Liberals are angry because President Obama is wrestling with his own
>> >>> beliefs and has not come out strongly in favor of gay marriage.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> he does not believe the Federal government should interfere with the
>> >>> rights of same-sex couples to marry, he does not support gay marriage
>> - he
>> >>> believes it should be up to individual states.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ron Paul would never intervene in any situation, even for humanitarian
>> >>> reasons such as Darfur or the Sudan. This includes "financial
>> interference".
>> >>>  He believes the U.S. should withdraw from the U.N.
>> >>>
>> >>> He also believes we should erect a 700 mile long wall between the U.S.
>> >>> and Mexico.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ron Paul signed the Anti-Abortion Pledge.  He introduced the
>> "Sanctity of
>> >>> Life Act which defined life as beginning at conception.  He does not
>> >>> recognize the right to privacy underlying Roe v. Wade
>> >>>
>> >>> Ron Paul would eliminate the following agencies:  The Department of
>> >>> Education,  The Department of Energy, The Commerce Department, Health
>> and
>> >>> Human Services, FEMA, the Interstate Commerce Commission, and the IRS
>> and
>> >>> the Federal Reserve. He has signed a pledge not to raise taxes or
>> create new
>> >>> taxes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Under Ron Paul, there would not have been any stimulus, and the auto
>> >>> industry would be dead in the water.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ron Paul does not believe the government has the right to institute an
>> >>> income tax on anyone.  He has indicated he would support a flat 10%
>> tax, or
>> >>> a national sales tax, both of which are regressive and would have a
>> greater
>> >>> impact on the poor and middle class.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ron Paul opposes any government interference with the free market,
>> >>> especially any new regulations on Wall Street.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ron Paul:
>> >>>
>> >>> Does not believe in the separation of church and state.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thinks school prayer should be allowed (but not mandatory)
>> >>>
>> >>> Thinks the left "hates religion"
>> >>>
>> >>> Introduced a bill that would allow pilots to carry guns on planes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Introduce a bill making flag burning illegal.
>> >>>
>> >>> Does not support any gun regulations, even against assault rifles.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thinks the census collects information that is none of the
>> government's
>> >>> business
>> >>>
>> >>> Opposed renewal of the Voting Rights Act.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >> Devin Balkind
>> >> Director, Sarapis Foundation
>> >> devin at sarapisfoundation.org
>> >> @devinbalkind
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