[P2P-F] Please help me understand who are "investors?"

Sat Dec 17 19:23:29 CET 2011

Gordon, hey, I don't necessarily understand Patrick either. I'm trying to catch up to his paradigm bit by bit. 

Who are these investors?  He proposes that the customers are to become owners, but since in all likelihood the customers may not have the initial capital necessary to sufficiently consecrate a going concern to serve their interests, I think it's a reasonable assumption that bridge investors must be found to kick things off. Over time these bridge investors can be replaced by the customers themselves at the cash register.  Imagine handing out change for example in the form of units redeemable in product. 

Regards
Alan 

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From: Gordon Cook <cook at cookreport.com>
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Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Please help me understand who are "investors?"

thank you Patrick.  I suppose you are a few steps ahead of me and i generally LIKE what you say.  However  my questions still stands.  Under the current system who are these investors?

I suspect that the answer is we really don't  know and i also suspect that the current system is constructed so that we will never find out.  Since the current system has no transparency we are left at the mercy of a system that because it contains some legitimate users.  Coupon clipping grandmother perhaps allows market manipulators to take over and pillage an economy in the manner that used to require an invading army.

Is there anyway to find out?

Has anyone of more so called professional standing than you or i suggested that it would be worthwhile to find out?

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On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Patrick Anderson wrote:

Investing for Profit incents scarcity and destruction.  This is the
way of Capitalism.

Investing for Product incents abundance and peace.  This the way forward.

Profit is undefined when Product is ROI.

Only Conumers as Investors can accept Product as the return for risk.

We will forever have internal conflicts and the seemingly inescapable paradoxes
until we choose Consumers as our Investors, and pay them with Product while
never needing to sell that Product except during Surplus.

In that case, when Surplus is sold, we should collect the Profit from those
latecomers and treat it as their own Investment in Use-Value production, so
that all Consumers incrementally gain the co-ownership needed to insure
they have the Products they need without resorting to the use of Tokens.

One of these days someone will understand this message, and then we can
begin to reclaim our planet, but not before.

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