[P2P-F] The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire

Tue Aug 2 14:02:28 CEST 2011

but who's that someone <g>, I'm temporarily overwhelmed with the orange
project

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:17 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:

> well would be interesting at least if someone reads a few chapters to see
> if there is something in there worth harvesting.
>
> /J
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Michel Bauwens
>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>> > thanks sam, for the details,
>> >
>> > by the way, actually I checked and Soros, a Jew himself, tells the story
>> in
>> > his own biography, but it was quite normal that Jews would be mobilized
>> by
>> > the Germans in their own repression ... it's on the wikipedia article,
>> you
>> > can check,
>> >
>>
>> Yes, I am familiar with this from reading accounts of WWII era history.
>>
>>
>> > of course, the fact that it is larouchian doesn't mean it is
>> necessarilty
>> > 'all wrong', but given their past behaviour, I think the utmost caution
>> is
>> > advisable,
>> >
>> > I must admit that without that context, that book would have seemed
>> > fascinating for me as well,
>> >
>> > Michel
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:38 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi michel & sam,
>> >> thanks for the heads up.
>> >> that is one totally fucking weird story altogether.
>> >> I did find the book's title rather
>> >> interesting: http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/
>> >> but now I wander how much it is actually factual
>> >>  and how much over slanted towards LaRouche ideology.
>> >> /J
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>> michel at p2pfoundation.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> confirmed, this is even a official larouchian pamphlet ..
>> >>>
>> >>> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement for the basic
>> info,
>> >>>
>> >>> I encountered them in early 80s when they would still physically
>> attack
>> >>> progressive gatherings ..
>> >>>
>> >>> more opinionated than the wikipedia, is this cultsite,
>> >>>
>> http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14
>> >>> .., it writes ..
>> >>>
>> >>> "LaRouche is one of those political trippers that has managed to take
>> the
>> >>> bend all the way around from the Far Left to the Far Right, without
>> breaking
>> >>> his neck. "
>> >>>
>> >>> a bit on their views:
>> >>>
>> >>> LaRouche's main thesis is that the 'Anglo-American cabal,' which
>> involves
>> >>> George Bush, the English monarchy, and some other ingredients, has
>> decided
>> >>> to undertake a programme of genocidal IMF/World Bank-financed
>> >>> de-industrialization to deplete the population of the Third World. The
>> >>> cabal's plan includes "narcotrafficking"; environmental policies to
>> prevent
>> >>> those countries from developing economically; 'Malthusian' population
>> >>> policies which incorporate birth control, abortion, and allowing
>> disease and
>> >>> hunger free rein; profiteering through 'neo-colonial' resource
>> control; the
>> >>> "lab-created" AIDs virus; and promotion of 'antifamily' ideals such as
>> >>> feminism, homosexuality, Satanism, and "the sex-drugs-rock and roll
>> >>> counterculture." This conspiracy theory, needless to say, is a grab
>> bag of
>> >>> far right and far left nut worries. LaRouche believes that only
>> massive
>> >>> industrial projects - nuclear power, huge irrigation canals dug with
>> atomic
>> >>> bombs (!) in the Middle East, and similar high-tech developments - can
>> free
>> >>> the Third World from the sinister grasp of the oligarchs' cabal.
>> >>>
>> >>> LaRouche has other windmills to tilt his lance at. For one thing, he
>> >>> wants to move toward a "Hamiltonian" economic model, which is neither
>> >>> laissez-faire nor communist. (Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson
>> argued
>> >>> over the future economic shape of America. Jefferson saw a land of
>> small,
>> >>> dispersed planters, farmers, and "Virginia gentlemen." Hamilton
>> thought
>> >>> America would develop through a strong Central Bank which financed
>> >>> industrial development and fostered growth of urban centres, not rural
>> >>> farmers. Hamilton was right on one score - "Jeffersonian" democracy
>> meant
>> >>> slavery for another 100 years.) In his "Science of Christian Economy,"
>> >>> LaRouche blames a lot of modern problems on usury, the lending of
>> money at
>> >>> excessive interest. LaRouche also blames much of our 'cultural'
>> breakdown on
>> >>> a move away from classicism in the arts - particularly the well-honed
>> >>> musical scale, Schiller's great poetry, and Renaissance naturalism in
>> >>> painting. Ever the Neo-Platonist, LaRouche lambasts the "Aristotelian"
>> >>> thinking which he sees behind our legal and other institutions.
>> LaRouche's
>> >>> plan to 'reclassicize' our lives includes a whole new way of
>> envisioning
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
>> >>> Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire
>> >>> To: james burke <james at p2pfoundation.net>
>> >>> Cc: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>, David de
>> Ugarte
>> >>> <david at lasindias.coop>, George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com>,
>> David
>> >>> Ronfeldt <ronfeldt at mac.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> this seems like an original book, judging from the preface alone,
>> >>>
>> >>> I wonder if anyone is familiar with this history of the struggle
>> against
>> >>> 'empire' ?
>> >>>
>> >>> One caveat though, it has a reference to LaRouche in the preface, and
>> it
>> >>> you know anything about this extreme righ-wing cult, this should let
>> the
>> >>> alarm bells ringing,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not at all familiar with the charge that Soros was responsible for
>> >>> stripping the jews in budapest of their possessions, that just doesn't
>> ring
>> >>> true to me?
>> >>>
>> >>> Michel
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:15 PM, james burke <james at p2pfoundation.net
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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