but who's that someone <g>, I'm temporarily overwhelmed with the orange project<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:17 AM, james burke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com">lifesized@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">well would be interesting at least if someone reads a few chapters to see if there is something in there worth harvesting.<div>
<br></div><div><font color="#888888">/J</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Samuel Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com" target="_blank">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Michel Bauwens<br>
<<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> thanks sam, for the details,<br>
><br>
> by the way, actually I checked and Soros, a Jew himself, tells the story in<br>
> his own biography, but it was quite normal that Jews would be mobilized by<br>
> the Germans in their own repression ... it's on the wikipedia article, you<br>
> can check,<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>Yes, I am familiar with this from reading accounts of WWII era history.<br>
<div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
> of course, the fact that it is larouchian doesn't mean it is necessarilty<br>
> 'all wrong', but given their past behaviour, I think the utmost caution is<br>
> advisable,<br>
><br>
> I must admit that without that context, that book would have seemed<br>
> fascinating for me as well,<br>
><br>
> Michel<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:38 AM, james burke <<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com" target="_blank">lifesized@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi michel & sam,<br>
>> thanks for the heads up.<br>
>> that is one totally fucking weird story altogether.<br>
>> I did find the book's title rather<br>
>> interesting:�<a href="http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/" target="_blank">http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/</a><br>
>> but now I wander how much it is actually factual<br>
>> �and how much over slanted towards LaRouche ideology.<br>
>> /J<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> confirmed, this is even a official larouchian pamphlet ..<br>
>>><br>
>>> see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement</a> for the basic info,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I encountered them in early 80s when they would still physically attack<br>
>>> progressive gatherings ..<br>
>>><br>
>>> more opinionated than the wikipedia, is this cultsite,<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14" target="_blank">http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14</a><br>
>>> .., it writes ..<br>
>>><br>
>>> "LaRouche is one of those political trippers that has managed to take the<br>
>>> bend all the way around from the Far Left to the Far Right, without breaking<br>
>>> his neck. "<br>
>>><br>
>>> a bit on their views:<br>
>>><br>
>>> LaRouche's main thesis is that the 'Anglo-American cabal,' which involves<br>
>>> George Bush, the English monarchy, and some other ingredients, has decided<br>
>>> to undertake a programme of genocidal IMF/World Bank-financed<br>
>>> de-industrialization to deplete the population of the Third World. The<br>
>>> cabal's plan includes "narcotrafficking"; environmental policies to prevent<br>
>>> those countries from developing economically; 'Malthusian' population<br>
>>> policies which incorporate birth control, abortion, and allowing disease and<br>
>>> hunger free rein; profiteering through 'neo-colonial' resource control; the<br>
>>> "lab-created" AIDs virus; and promotion of 'antifamily' ideals such as<br>
>>> feminism, homosexuality, Satanism, and "the sex-drugs-rock and roll<br>
>>> counterculture." This conspiracy theory, needless to say, is a grab bag of<br>
>>> far right and far left nut worries. LaRouche believes that only massive<br>
>>> industrial projects - nuclear power, huge irrigation canals dug with atomic<br>
>>> bombs (!) in the Middle East, and similar high-tech developments - can free<br>
>>> the Third World from the sinister grasp of the oligarchs' cabal.<br>
>>><br>
>>> LaRouche has other windmills to tilt his lance at. For one thing, he<br>
>>> wants to move toward a "Hamiltonian" economic model, which is neither<br>
>>> laissez-faire nor communist. (Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson argued<br>
>>> over the future economic shape of America. Jefferson saw a land of small,<br>
>>> dispersed planters, farmers, and "Virginia gentlemen." Hamilton thought<br>
>>> America would develop through a strong Central Bank which financed<br>
>>> industrial development and fostered growth of urban centres, not rural<br>
>>> farmers. Hamilton was right on one score - "Jeffersonian" democracy meant<br>
>>> slavery for another 100 years.) In his "Science of Christian Economy,"<br>
>>> LaRouche blames a lot of modern problems on usury, the lending of money at<br>
>>> excessive interest. LaRouche also blames much of our 'cultural' breakdown on<br>
>>> a move away from classicism in the arts - particularly the well-honed<br>
>>> musical scale, Schiller's great poetry, and Renaissance naturalism in<br>
>>> painting. Ever the Neo-Platonist, LaRouche lambasts the "Aristotelian"<br>
>>> thinking which he sees behind our legal and other institutions. LaRouche's<br>
>>> plan to 'reclassicize' our lives includes a whole new way of envisioning<br>
>>><br>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>> From: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
>>> Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire<br>
>>> To: james burke <<a href="mailto:james@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">james@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
>>> Cc: p2p-foundation <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>>, David de Ugarte<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>, George Papanikolaou <<a href="mailto:georgepapani@gmail.com" target="_blank">georgepapani@gmail.com</a>>, David<br>
>>> Ronfeldt <<a href="mailto:ronfeldt@mac.com" target="_blank">ronfeldt@mac.com</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> this seems like an original book, judging from the preface alone,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I wonder if anyone is familiar with this history of the struggle against<br>
>>> 'empire' ?<br>
>>><br>
>>> One caveat though, it has a reference to LaRouche in the preface, and it<br>
>>> you know anything about this extreme righ-wing cult, this should let the<br>
>>> alarm bells ringing,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'm not at all familiar with the charge that Soros was responsible for<br>
>>> stripping the jews in budapest of their possessions, that just doesn't ring<br>
>>> true to me?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Michel<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:15 PM, james burke <<a href="mailto:james@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">james@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/" target="_blank">http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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