[P2P-F] The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire

Mon Aug 1 20:17:16 CEST 2011

well would be interesting at least if someone reads a few chapters to see if
there is something in there worth harvesting.

/J

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Michel Bauwens
> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
> > thanks sam, for the details,
> >
> > by the way, actually I checked and Soros, a Jew himself, tells the story
> in
> > his own biography, but it was quite normal that Jews would be mobilized
> by
> > the Germans in their own repression ... it's on the wikipedia article,
> you
> > can check,
> >
>
> Yes, I am familiar with this from reading accounts of WWII era history.
>
>
> > of course, the fact that it is larouchian doesn't mean it is necessarilty
> > 'all wrong', but given their past behaviour, I think the utmost caution
> is
> > advisable,
> >
> > I must admit that without that context, that book would have seemed
> > fascinating for me as well,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:38 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi michel & sam,
> >> thanks for the heads up.
> >> that is one totally fucking weird story altogether.
> >> I did find the book's title rather
> >> interesting: http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/
> >> but now I wander how much it is actually factual
> >>  and how much over slanted towards LaRouche ideology.
> >> /J
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michel Bauwens <
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> confirmed, this is even a official larouchian pamphlet ..
> >>>
> >>> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement for the basic info,
> >>>
> >>> I encountered them in early 80s when they would still physically attack
> >>> progressive gatherings ..
> >>>
> >>> more opinionated than the wikipedia, is this cultsite,
> >>>
> http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14
> >>> .., it writes ..
> >>>
> >>> "LaRouche is one of those political trippers that has managed to take
> the
> >>> bend all the way around from the Far Left to the Far Right, without
> breaking
> >>> his neck. "
> >>>
> >>> a bit on their views:
> >>>
> >>> LaRouche's main thesis is that the 'Anglo-American cabal,' which
> involves
> >>> George Bush, the English monarchy, and some other ingredients, has
> decided
> >>> to undertake a programme of genocidal IMF/World Bank-financed
> >>> de-industrialization to deplete the population of the Third World. The
> >>> cabal's plan includes "narcotrafficking"; environmental policies to
> prevent
> >>> those countries from developing economically; 'Malthusian' population
> >>> policies which incorporate birth control, abortion, and allowing
> disease and
> >>> hunger free rein; profiteering through 'neo-colonial' resource control;
> the
> >>> "lab-created" AIDs virus; and promotion of 'antifamily' ideals such as
> >>> feminism, homosexuality, Satanism, and "the sex-drugs-rock and roll
> >>> counterculture." This conspiracy theory, needless to say, is a grab bag
> of
> >>> far right and far left nut worries. LaRouche believes that only massive
> >>> industrial projects - nuclear power, huge irrigation canals dug with
> atomic
> >>> bombs (!) in the Middle East, and similar high-tech developments - can
> free
> >>> the Third World from the sinister grasp of the oligarchs' cabal.
> >>>
> >>> LaRouche has other windmills to tilt his lance at. For one thing, he
> >>> wants to move toward a "Hamiltonian" economic model, which is neither
> >>> laissez-faire nor communist. (Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson
> argued
> >>> over the future economic shape of America. Jefferson saw a land of
> small,
> >>> dispersed planters, farmers, and "Virginia gentlemen." Hamilton thought
> >>> America would develop through a strong Central Bank which financed
> >>> industrial development and fostered growth of urban centres, not rural
> >>> farmers. Hamilton was right on one score - "Jeffersonian" democracy
> meant
> >>> slavery for another 100 years.) In his "Science of Christian Economy,"
> >>> LaRouche blames a lot of modern problems on usury, the lending of money
> at
> >>> excessive interest. LaRouche also blames much of our 'cultural'
> breakdown on
> >>> a move away from classicism in the arts - particularly the well-honed
> >>> musical scale, Schiller's great poetry, and Renaissance naturalism in
> >>> painting. Ever the Neo-Platonist, LaRouche lambasts the "Aristotelian"
> >>> thinking which he sees behind our legal and other institutions.
> LaRouche's
> >>> plan to 'reclassicize' our lives includes a whole new way of
> envisioning
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire
> >>> To: james burke <james at p2pfoundation.net>
> >>> Cc: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>, David de
> Ugarte
> >>> <david at lasindias.coop>, George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com>,
> David
> >>> Ronfeldt <ronfeldt at mac.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> this seems like an original book, judging from the preface alone,
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if anyone is familiar with this history of the struggle
> against
> >>> 'empire' ?
> >>>
> >>> One caveat though, it has a reference to LaRouche in the preface, and
> it
> >>> you know anything about this extreme righ-wing cult, this should let
> the
> >>> alarm bells ringing,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not at all familiar with the charge that Soros was responsible for
> >>> stripping the jews in budapest of their possessions, that just doesn't
> ring
> >>> true to me?
> >>>
> >>> Michel
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:15 PM, james burke <james at p2pfoundation.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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