[P2P-F] The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire

Mon Aug 1 20:02:32 CEST 2011

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Michel Bauwens
<michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
> thanks sam, for the details,
>
> by the way, actually I checked and Soros, a Jew himself, tells the story in
> his own biography, but it was quite normal that Jews would be mobilized by
> the Germans in their own repression ... it's on the wikipedia article, you
> can check,
>

Yes, I am familiar with this from reading accounts of WWII era history.

> of course, the fact that it is larouchian doesn't mean it is necessarilty
> 'all wrong', but given their past behaviour, I think the utmost caution is
> advisable,
>
> I must admit that without that context, that book would have seemed
> fascinating for me as well,
>
> Michel
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:38 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi michel & sam,
>> thanks for the heads up.
>> that is one totally fucking weird story altogether.
>> I did find the book's title rather
>> interesting: http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/
>> but now I wander how much it is actually factual
>>  and how much over slanted towards LaRouche ideology.
>> /J
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> confirmed, this is even a official larouchian pamphlet ..
>>>
>>> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement for the basic info,
>>>
>>> I encountered them in early 80s when they would still physically attack
>>> progressive gatherings ..
>>>
>>> more opinionated than the wikipedia, is this cultsite,
>>> http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14
>>> .., it writes ..
>>>
>>> "LaRouche is one of those political trippers that has managed to take the
>>> bend all the way around from the Far Left to the Far Right, without breaking
>>> his neck. "
>>>
>>> a bit on their views:
>>>
>>> LaRouche's main thesis is that the 'Anglo-American cabal,' which involves
>>> George Bush, the English monarchy, and some other ingredients, has decided
>>> to undertake a programme of genocidal IMF/World Bank-financed
>>> de-industrialization to deplete the population of the Third World. The
>>> cabal's plan includes "narcotrafficking"; environmental policies to prevent
>>> those countries from developing economically; 'Malthusian' population
>>> policies which incorporate birth control, abortion, and allowing disease and
>>> hunger free rein; profiteering through 'neo-colonial' resource control; the
>>> "lab-created" AIDs virus; and promotion of 'antifamily' ideals such as
>>> feminism, homosexuality, Satanism, and "the sex-drugs-rock and roll
>>> counterculture." This conspiracy theory, needless to say, is a grab bag of
>>> far right and far left nut worries. LaRouche believes that only massive
>>> industrial projects - nuclear power, huge irrigation canals dug with atomic
>>> bombs (!) in the Middle East, and similar high-tech developments - can free
>>> the Third World from the sinister grasp of the oligarchs' cabal.
>>>
>>> LaRouche has other windmills to tilt his lance at. For one thing, he
>>> wants to move toward a "Hamiltonian" economic model, which is neither
>>> laissez-faire nor communist. (Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson argued
>>> over the future economic shape of America. Jefferson saw a land of small,
>>> dispersed planters, farmers, and "Virginia gentlemen." Hamilton thought
>>> America would develop through a strong Central Bank which financed
>>> industrial development and fostered growth of urban centres, not rural
>>> farmers. Hamilton was right on one score - "Jeffersonian" democracy meant
>>> slavery for another 100 years.) In his "Science of Christian Economy,"
>>> LaRouche blames a lot of modern problems on usury, the lending of money at
>>> excessive interest. LaRouche also blames much of our 'cultural' breakdown on
>>> a move away from classicism in the arts - particularly the well-honed
>>> musical scale, Schiller's great poetry, and Renaissance naturalism in
>>> painting. Ever the Neo-Platonist, LaRouche lambasts the "Aristotelian"
>>> thinking which he sees behind our legal and other institutions. LaRouche's
>>> plan to 'reclassicize' our lives includes a whole new way of envisioning
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
>>> Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire
>>> To: james burke <james at p2pfoundation.net>
>>> Cc: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>, David de Ugarte
>>> <david at lasindias.coop>, George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com>, David
>>> Ronfeldt <ronfeldt at mac.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> this seems like an original book, judging from the preface alone,
>>>
>>> I wonder if anyone is familiar with this history of the struggle against
>>> 'empire' ?
>>>
>>> One caveat though, it has a reference to LaRouche in the preface, and it
>>> you know anything about this extreme righ-wing cult, this should let the
>>> alarm bells ringing,
>>>
>>> I'm not at all familiar with the charge that Soros was responsible for
>>> stripping the jews in budapest of their possessions, that just doesn't ring
>>> true to me?
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:15 PM, james burke <james at p2pfoundation.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
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