[P2P-F] Fwd: [Commoning] Economists or Ecommonists?

Wed Apr 20 12:04:05 CEST 2011

Dear colleagues,

With the help of David Bollier and subscribers to the Commoning and
P2P-Foundation email lists, we are compiling a directory of
http://p2pfoundation.net/Commons-Oriented_Economists

Wolfgang Hoechsele suggested your names and institutions, as experts likely
to be able to suggest names to add to our directory,

Many thanks for considering your assistance,

Michel

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Silke Helfrich <Silke.Helfrich at gmx.de>
Date: Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Subject: [Commoning] Economists or Ecommonists?
To: Commoning <commoning at lists.wissensallmende.de>

Dear all,

I was recently inspired by a proposal from a formally trained
"economist", Friederike Habermann. She would certainly love to be called
an ecommonist, rather than an economist.
Actually she frames the world we are all struggling for as Ecommony.
(we'll include the proposal in our next monography, many of you are
invited to contribute to ...)

So, Friederike Habermann (Phd), Germany is my candidate for the list.

Best
Silke

On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 22:59 +0200, Hervé Le Crosnier wrote:
>
>       Hello all,
>
>       I want to follow on what Wolfgang say about the very
>       definition of "an economist". It's not that easy,
>       because what we're talking about when considering the
>       economic aspects of the commons is mainly "political economy",
>       which is not considered as a typical "economics".
>       So some sociologists, some political scientists, some
>       activists, some ecologists have a lot to say to the
>       economy of the commons. Mostly when we look at all potential
>       measures for economy. The national gross product, or the
>       market share are not suitable measures for the commons.
>       And more to say within the information and immaterials
>       commons. Is Yochaï Benkler, mainly considered as a law
>       professor an economist ? Yes he give us truly significant
>       insights to the economical side of commons productions,
>       but he does this with all his knowledge of law...
>
>       When I first encounter the David and Michel list, I
>       don't know if I can add people as Philippe Aigrain,
>       not an economist, but surely a political economist, as
>       far as he worked for the European Commission, even though as
>       a computer scientist by training...
>
>       As far as people are trying to have new indicators for
>       economy, and well being, and human development, for
>       political evaluation, or to assist decision in the political
>       arena, for it not to follow only markets, or more
>       precisely "financial exchange markets"... we the commoners
>       must go right on this open way to evaluate the benefit
>       of the commons way. So sociologists, political scientists,
>       philosophers, and activists in their plain intellectual
>       commitment, can be into such a list.
>
>       May be we have to change the disciplinary distinctions,
>       and promote focus based lists ? But it is mainly the
>       real good work the P2P Foundation is doing, isn't it ?
>
>       Yours,
>
> Hervé Le Crosnier
>
> Le 19/04/2011 22:43, Wolfgang Hoeschele a écrit :
> > Dear Michel,
> > On my entry on this list, I think you should point out that I'm not an
> > economist (if Elinor Ostrom is not en economist, having received the
> > Nobel Prize in economics, I'm most definitely not, since I'm trained as
> > a geographer!). Katherine Gibson is also a geographer.
> > The E.F. Schumacher Foundation _has been renamed_ as the New Economics
> > Institute - i.e., those two are one and the same thing.
> >
> > The Green Economics Institute in England
> > (http://www.greeneconomics.org.uk/) should also be listed, while
> > different people within that institute follow different approaches, they
> > are very much interested in social and environmental justice. The
> > directors of the institute are Miriam Kennet (contact at Miriam Kennet
> > <greeneconomicsinstitute at yahoo.com>)
> > and Volker Heinemann; they could probably suggest further economists
> > supportive of the commons.
> >
> > Another economist who you could add is Julie Matthaei - she's a feminist
> > economist, involved in the US Solidarity Economy Network. I don't think
> > she's published on the commons per se but she is definitely supportive
> > of the approach. A volume on the solidarity economy she co-edited is the
> > following:
> >
> > *Solidarity economy :*
> > *building alternatives for people and planet ; papers and reports from
> > the U.S. Social Forum 2007 /*
> > Jenna *Allard*;  Carl *Davidson*;  Julie *Matthaei
> > *2008
> > *English* Book Book xiv, 427 p. ; 23 cm.
> > Chicago : ChangeMaker Publications, ; ISBN: 0615194893 9780615194899
> > *Contents:* pt. 1. New visions and models -- pt. 2. Defining the
> > solidarity economy through diverse practices -- pt. 3. Building the
> > solidarity economy through social movements -- pt. 4. Building the
> > solidarity economy through cooperatives and socially responsible
> > business -- pt. 5. Building the solidarity economy through networking
> > and community organizing -- pt. 6. Building the solidarity economy
> > through public policy -- pt. 7. Building the solidarity economy through
> > daily practice -- pt. 8. The birth of the U.S. Solidarity Economy
> > Network -- pt. 9. Appendices.
> >
> > Julie could probably also suggest some more economists to add to the
> > list - her email is "Julie A. Matthaei" <jmatthaei at wellesley.edu>.
> >
> > If some more people come to mind I'll let you know!
> > Wolfgang
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:50 AM 4/19/2011, you wrote:
> >> Dear friends,
> >>
> >> with the help of David Bollier, who produced the original list below,
> >> I will start to compile a list of ...
> >>
> >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Commons-Oriented_Economists
> >>
> >> thanks a lot for sending suggestions my way; eventual help with bio's
> >> would also be welcome,
> >>
> >> who among the Berlin participants should be considered economists and
> >> should be added to the list?
> >>
> >> Michel
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: *David Bollier* <david at bollier.org <mailto:david at bollier.org>>
> >> Date: Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Article in Financial Times
> >> To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:michelsub2004 at gmail.com> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michel,
> >> Here's my top-of-mind list of commons-oriented or -friendly economists:
> >>
> >> Josh Farley, U. of Vermont (ecological economics, community
development)
> >> Robert Costanza, U. of Oregon (a leading ecological economist; not
> >> sure of commons-orientation)
> >> James Boyce, UMass Amherst (ecological economics)
> >> Nancy Folbre, UMass Amherst (feminist economics/caring economy)
> >> Gerald Epstein, UMass Amherst (cooperatives)
> >> Katherine Gibson, Australia (community economics; former writing
> >> partner with the late Julie Graham, a.k.a.,
> >>         J.-K. Gibson-Graham)
> >> Elinor Ostrom, Arizona State & Indiana U. (commons; not an economist,
> >> but she might as well be)
> >> Wolfgang Hoeschele, Truman State University, Missouri (Solidarity
> >> Economy, commons)
> >> Sam Bowles, Santa Fe Institute (economics as seen through complexity
> >> theory & evolutionary sciences)
> >> Yochai Benkler, Harvard Law School (digital commons; not an economist,
> >> but he might as well be)
> >> Peter Barnes, Pt. Reyes Station, California (former entrepreneur;
> >> commons; Sky Trust) *
> >> David Korten, author
> >> Richard Norgaard, UC Berkeley
> >> Wolfgang Sachs, Wuppertal Institute, Germany
> >> Herman Daly (?), perhaps too economistic and not commons-oriented
> >> enough, based on a brief encounter with him.
> >> Association for Georgist Studies (the Henry George crowd)
> >> E.F. Schumacher Foundation:  hosts annual lecture series that often
> >> includes iconoclastic economist-types
> >> New Economics Institute:  Schumacher spinoff with ties to New
> >> Economics Foundation in UK, which aspires
> >>     to develop alternative economic approaches.  A more nominal than
> >> real project because it has so little money.
> >>
> >> Peter Barnes hosted a small retreat of commons-oriented economists in
> >> Santa Barbara 5-7 years ago.  He would be worth consulting if we ever
> >> try to do something in this area.
> >>
> >> There are probably some other economists or near-economists who
> >> attended the ICC.
> >> -------
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>
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