[JoPP-Public] jopp update 2024

Mathieu O'Neil mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au
Tue Jan 30 02:07:15 CET 2024 

Hi George, Angela, all

+1 for Peter!

I had a quick look at Zenodo. It does not look great IMO but its other qualities (mainly durability) outweigh aesthetics, I guess.

It seems like one can create a "community" of articles which would emable minimal content aggregation (I am not a fan the idea that jopp articles should float around by themselves: they were picked and curated by editors for specific issues) however not sure if this would be one community for all 15 jopp issues or something else...?

If the uploading can be done in bulk that would be ideal however not sure jopp articles have the requisite metadata to slot into Zenodo? Also not sure how all the reviews, scores etc would appear?

If done article by article that will be very labour intensive. Maybe we can apply for a grant (suggestions?) and pay someone to do it?

cheers
Mathieu

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Hello Mathieu, hello everyone,

I think we should make an effort to keep the JoPP freely-accessible on the public Internet, so archiving it on Zenodo (which I am not familiar with, but according to what Peter Troxler says in his email, it provides the functionality that we're looking for) sounds like a very good idea!

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Peter T. once again for hosting the JoPP on his server and for registering the peerproduction.net<http://peerproduction.net/> domain. Thank you Peter for everything you've done for JoPP all these years!

Best,
-G.




On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:48 PM Angela Daly <angelacdaly at gmail.com<mailto:angelacdaly at gmail.com>> wrote:
I would be keen to archive via Zenodo.

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Hi all

The "peerproduction.net<http://peerproduction.net/>" domain name, held by P2PF, was allowed to lapse at the end of 2023 [citing a P2PF web person: "I did send an email to a few folks regarding old domains and unfortunately it did not reach Mathieu:( As part of the foundation moving administratively to Belgium, a lot of old domain names have been released as no one claimed them"].

As a result the "peerproduction.net<http://peerproduction.net/>" domain name went into a "redemption period" and the journal website went down; thanks to Adrian Smith for alerting us about it.

Eventually we managed to track down the relevant P2PF person and Peter Troxler (who already hosts the journal website on his server) purchased the domain name - thanks Peter! Thanks also to Stephen Collins for his help.

In the process, two issues came to the fore:

1-we need to find supplementary archiving solutions: I will start another thread about this soon.

2-we need to update the jopp website to make it clear the journal is no longer active (this will prevent unwanted submissions which still episodically occur).

My suggestion is to insert the following text:
"[update (February 2024): the journal of peer production is no longer active; jopp#15 in 2022 was the final issue]"
In the following pages
ABOUT “Submissions”, “Mission Statement”, "People", "Advice", "Twitter"
PEER REVIEW "Process" ["Current" is obsolete and should be deleted]

@all: if you have any other suggestions please let me know before the end of this week. Thanks!

For the front/homepage text, which currently reads:
“Welcome to the Journal of Peer Production
The Journal of Peer Production seeks high-quality contributions from researchers and practitioners of peer production. We understand peer production as a mode of commons-based and oriented production in which participation is voluntary and predicated on the self-selection of tasks. Notable examples are the collaborative development of Free Software projects and of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia.”

We could have instead:
"The Journal of Peer Production is no longer active
Between 2011 and 2022 researchers and practitioners self-managed the Journal of Peer Production to explore and document peer production, understood as a mode of commons-based and oriented production in which participation is voluntary and predicated on the self-selection of tasks. Notable examples are the collaborative development of Free Software projects and of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia. jopp#15 TRANSITION was the final issue"

@all: if you have any other suggestions please let me know before the end of this week. Thanks!

cheers
Mathieu
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Hi all


As mentioned in my earlier message Peter, Steve and I were discussing web-related issues with P2PF people when the issue of archiving came up. Someone mentioned the "web archive" saying it was free, then Peter came up with a thoughtful reply, to which I responded:


"@Peter: thanks for your response. This topic is too important to be debated simply amongst ourselves: it needs to happen on the jopp-public list so that other editors see it and so it is archived. So, if OK with you, I will copy-paste your message and post an update explaining the domain lapsed, the site went down, and now you bought and own the domain (happy to share a draft with you before posting)."


[Peter agreed, so copy-pasting his message below:]





From: Troxler, P. (Peter) <p.troxler at hr.nl<mailto:p.troxler at hr.nl><mailto:p.troxler at hr.nl<mailto:p.troxler at hr.nl>>>
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Subject: peerproduction.net<http://peerproduction.net/> > archiving



Folks

archiving is not a simple issue, hence a new subject for this conversation.

Of course, peerproduction.net<http://peerproduction.net/> is available through archive.org<http://archive.org/>'s waybackmachine. However, for academic publishing this is not the way to go. Neither is uploading all papers to archive.org<http://archive.org/> as archive.org<http://archive.org/> lacks the links to more mainstream academic publishing. At the end of the day, we want the papers to be found, read, and cited.

So, as many other OA initiatives, we are looking for a more durable repository.

There are two routes that spring to mind (because the third, SSRN, has become Elsevier):
- zenodo.org<http://zenodo.org/>
- SocArxiv

Zenodo is pretty straight forward, would allow to bulk upload final papers, and it caters for related materials (original, reviews), it provides a DOI, and it will live for another 20 years. Based at CERN, we can expect this term to be extended.
SocArxiv is not geared towards bulk archiving (afaik), I have not read anything on the site regarding DO; it, allows for related material. Further, it has a salvation fund to keep it going if and when funding runs out.

However, archiving (rather than keeping peerproduction.net<http://peerproduction.net/> running) requires some substantial effort to get it done, for which some funding is required.

If we don't want to leave JoPP to an anecdotal glitch in time, I think we should make some serious work of getting it archived. It's mainly juggling data, as the basis we have is rock solid.

Opinions?

Peter

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