[PeDAGoG] Next Online Discussion in Feb 2022
Renata Amorim
biol.renata at gmail.com
Wed Feb 16 16:09:46 CET 2022
Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
Thanks for sending the notes of the meeting so we can catch up, Upamanyu.
Concerning some comments and ideais to work on, towards alternative
pedagogies and global mapping of alternative learning and education
practices/networks, I think I can eventually contribute on that, looking
forward to strengthen ties with networks and other groups that are doing
similar work. For example by now I can indicate two initiatives: Gesturing
Towards Decolonial Futures, a researchers/artists collective coordinated by
Vanessa Andreotti and other professors, working on innovative experiments
in Canada and Brazil (https://decolonialfutures.net/) and also Teia dos
Povos, a grassroot organization connecting indigenous and black people,
artisanal fishermen and small farmers in Brazil, promoting what they call
agroecology journeys and others interesting pegagogic pratices (
https://teiadospovos.org/the-web-of-the-peoples/). But how/where can we
systematize these informations?
I also added my name and informations on the PeDAGoG member list.
Best regards,
Renata
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Renata Amorim Almeida Fonseca
Doutoranda em Psicossociologia de Comunidades e Ecologia Social -
EICOS/IP/UFRJ
Pesquisadora em Sustentabilidade e Transformação Social - GAPIS/LATTES/CNPq
Sócia diretora na CAMBARÁS PROJETOS SOCIOAMBIENTAIS
PhD Student in Community Psychosociology and Social Ecology - EICOS/IP/UFRJ
Researcher in Sustainability and Social Transformation - GAPIS/LATTES/CNPq
Managing partner at CAMBARÁS SOCIO ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECTS
Em qua., 16 de fev. de 2022 às 08:11, UPAMANYU DAS . <
upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> escreveu:
> Also attaching the Ethics document for PeDAGoG put together by Working
> Group 5 for everyone's viewing.
>
> best,
> Upamanyu
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:25 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>
>> Here is the link to the recording of yesterday's meeting:
>> https://us02web.zoom.us/rec/share/bImQGk9yi6GmkudVyLwb66_AF4VTPo9Jr22Glt130a-WnRmE-BRqgUjCgUOSnkJc.tjy4JPgzlW_HphxI
>>
>> Also attached are the minutes of the meeting. Please take a look at some
>> of the new ideas that have come up during the meeting, and let us know if
>> you'd like to volunteer.
>>
>> *PeDAGoG Meeting - 15th Feb 2022 *
>>
>>
>> *Attendees:* Ashish Kothari, Vasna Ramasar, Upamanyu Das, Massimo de
>> Marchi, Pallavi Patil, Sujit Sinha, Melanie Bush, Christian Stalberg,
>> Laurence Davis, Adrian Schlegel, Elizabeth Rahman, Irene Sotiropoulou,
>> Kaustubh Rau
>>
>>
>> PeDAGoG member list:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sY1zrrRvYYh0l-6qCmRjQJwKun4BJMOH7jRJ7XK2huI/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> *Meeting notes:*
>>
>>
>>
>> - Pallavi: On the question of PeDAGoG expanding, there are many
>> people interested in the network. This is especially as courses on
>> sustainability and environment are also becoming more important, so we can
>> tap into these groups further.
>> - Melanie and Vasna: It might be helpful to create a ‘moment/event’
>> that brings people in the network together to help with identity formation.
>>
>>
>> *Update on Working Group 1 on creating a repository of online materials*
>>
>> - For the purposes of creating an initial repository, the RED website
>> ( https://radicalecologicaldemocracy.org) will host material from
>> PeDAGoG.
>> - John Foran, Sujit Sinha and Adrian Schlegel are working on this
>> activity. They are going though the different kinds of materials that are
>> to be uploaded and looking at ways to organise them. It might possibly take
>> another month or so for the uploading to begin. The WG is looking forward
>> to suggestions and volunteers.
>>
>>
>> *Update on Working Group 2 on inward-facing events*
>>
>> - We can make plans to host programmes/webinars where we can learn
>> about each other's approaches in depth. *(more on this in Comments)*
>>
>>
>> *Update on Working Group 5 on an ethics document*
>>
>> - Ethics document has been prepared and sent out by Angging Aban to
>> the group. It will be uploaded on the RED website as part of the write-up
>> on PeDAGoG.
>>
>>
>> *Comments*
>>
>> - Laurence: The online repository will be a really useful resource.
>> It will help students to move beyond ‘theory’ and towards witnessing
>> real-world practices. Alternatives mapping is another extremely useful area
>> of interest. We should also look at strengthening ties with networks and
>> other groups that are doing similar work. A collective discussion on
>> ‘pedagogy’ is also required, especially for institutionalised educators to
>> break out of their pedagogic ‘ruts’ and core assumptions that tend to
>> dominate the discourse of education.
>> - Sujit: One of the courses we taught was around education through
>> hands-on work, which was also an idea of Gandhi. Pallavi is working on a
>> project trying to locate such similar pedagogic practices from around the
>> world. The repository we are collecting (as part of WG1) will also help in
>> educating in different ways, helping more diverse groups access such
>> pedagogic materials.
>> - Massimo: It is important to maintain the network and share our
>> experiences, as well as optimise the participation within the network.
>> There is also a need for putting together resources which should be used
>> for highlighting (grassroots) stories alongside our pedagogic materials.
>> Sharing our common goods, time, stories, visions, and experiences is very
>> important.
>> - Vasna: We should look at ways to overlap and collaborate with other
>> networks, such as Ecoversities.
>> - Elizabeth: Knowledge exchange is a process that we have been
>> working on so we have some experience with that. Alongside sharing of
>> knowledge, we also want to see some grounding actions. Thinking about how
>> to use our time to achieve some of these goals and also have a larger
>> impact will be important.
>> - Ashish: On the mapping process, GTA has been working on an open
>> sourced Mapping software to map alternative networks and practices. While
>> it won’t document all alternatives processes across the world (as that
>> would be impossible), it will cover many important grassroots practices,
>> organisations etc. The Map will allow for anyone to add to it, so we can
>> have a subsection on alternative pedagogy-based mapping which PeDAGoG
>> members can lead.
>> - Elizabeth: As part of the Centre for Teaching and Learning, we are
>> planning to work on a series of open talks on radical pedagogy. We can see
>> how to include PeDAGoG in that process.
>> - Christian: I’m interested in the idea of radical pedagogy, with
>> time, I would also look to contribute.
>> - Sujit: Audio-video material is also important, as mentioned by
>> members here. The problem is that there is a huge amount of such material,
>> and we need to put together small write-ups for these materials for better
>> organisation and ease of access.
>> - Ashish: We can look at internship opportunities for support as
>> well.
>> - Pallavi: On the question of knowledge sharing, we can possibly try
>> one event for inward-facing sharing, and we can then look at whether we
>> would like to have more such inward-facing events, or public events.
>> - Elizabeth: It might help now to figure out some initial ideas for
>> speakers for the sharing sessions. Suggestions include Christian, and Sujit
>> and Pallavi.
>> - Laurence: To avoid the problem of the same people always
>> presenting, we can send an open invitation on the PeDAGoG list if anyone
>> would like to share their work.
>> - Ashish: We can also look at groups and communities outside our
>> networks as well, such as the Kurdish Rojava movement or Zapatistas.
>>
>>
>> *Ideas to work on:*
>>
>> - Series of webinars/knowledge sharing among the participants -
>> Elizabeth, Pallavi, Christian
>> - A global mapping of alternative learning and education
>> practices/networks (as part of the GTA Mapping process)
>> - Using ‘events’ to highlight the work of PeDAGoG and alternative
>> pedagogies.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:31 PM Ashish Kothari <ashishkothari at riseup.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear PeDAGoGians, we start in 5 minutes, do join if you can,
>>>
>>> ashish
>>> On 15/02/22 3:22 pm, UPAMANYU DAS . wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>
>>> A gentle reminder that we are meeting today at 3 PM GMT.
>>> Here is the zoom link for joining the session:
>>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6717720473
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Upamanyu
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:15 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> A gentle reminder that our next meeting is on 15th Feb at 3-5 PM GMT.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the link for joining: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6717720473
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Upamanyu
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:00 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>>>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a slight mistake in my previous email -- the next meeting is
>>>>> to be held on *15th Feb* at *3-5 PM GMT* (*not GST*). Apologies for
>>>>> the confusion. I will send across a link for the meeting soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Upamanyu
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 4:33 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>>>>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our next PeDAGoG meet is scheduled to be held on 15th Feb at 3-5 PM
>>>>>> GST. We will send across a link for same soon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Upamanyu (GTA)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 7:32 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>>>>>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope you're all well!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are planning to host our next meeting in mid-February. Please
>>>>>>> find below a Doodle Poll for everyone to indicate their availability, Do
>>>>>>> fill it in *before 31st Jan *so we can finalise the date:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/qh4daremvf7kdt6d?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The broad agenda of the meeting is to continue with updates from the
>>>>>>> different working groups, including ways forward. Please feel free to
>>>>>>> suggest additional discussion points.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please see the email chain below to find the minutes of the
>>>>>>> previous meetings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> Upamanyu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 5:57 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>>>>>>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Below are the minutes of the meeting held yesterday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For those who couldn't attend, please read through the next steps
>>>>>>>> charted out by the various working groups and feel free to volunteer
>>>>>>>> wherever you can help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - *Check ins*
>>>>>>>> - Angging: from UPCIDS Alt Dev team
>>>>>>>> - Adrian Schegel: Masters student from Germany working on
>>>>>>>> post-colonial studies
>>>>>>>> - Sujit Sinha: Ex-professor, living utopian, writing and
>>>>>>>> translating texts into Bengali for grassroots movements as well as working
>>>>>>>> on audio visual materials.
>>>>>>>> - Renata Amorim: Phd student from Brazil, working with
>>>>>>>> grassroots movements, connected with the eco village network, looking to
>>>>>>>> find ways to engage and collaborate with the group.
>>>>>>>> - Irene: Researcher in non-capitalist ecologically sustainable
>>>>>>>> economics
>>>>>>>> - Sonali Sathaye: Freelance educator. Alternative education
>>>>>>>> linked to alternative economics is an area of interest. Working on a course
>>>>>>>> on Climate Change for school students.
>>>>>>>> - Rama Mohana: Faculty at IIM Ahmedabad, part of this group
>>>>>>>> largely to learn about alternative education and contribute where possible.
>>>>>>>> - Ashish: works with Kalpariksh, Vikalp Sangam, Global Tapestry
>>>>>>>> of Alternatives.
>>>>>>>> - Upamanyu: KV, VS, GTA
>>>>>>>> - Vasna: Lund University, Sweden, GTA Core, WOmin
>>>>>>>> - Arvin: UPCIDS Alt Dev, Community organiser in urban poor
>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Updates from working groups Working Group 1: Pedagogic and
>>>>>>>> knowledge sharing to build and strengthen repositories of materials*
>>>>>>>> - The group made a list of the kind of materials people tend to
>>>>>>>> share on Pedagog. The next question is where to save the materials.
>>>>>>>> - One option is to use the GTA platform.
>>>>>>>> - Start an independent website
>>>>>>>> - Shared cloud drive
>>>>>>>> - Funds are required, a coordinator is necessary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Comments *
>>>>>>>> - Ashish: Easy access is the question. A quick call over the
>>>>>>>> next couple of weeks can help in moving forward. Franco (GTA), Pallav (RED)
>>>>>>>> can help. Flarum is another possibility.
>>>>>>>> - Ashish: Another question is whether the space would be
>>>>>>>> passive or interactive. Would it also require an internal and external
>>>>>>>> section?
>>>>>>>> - Upamanyu: Moodle is an option to look into—free open source
>>>>>>>> learning management system
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Working Group 2: Research collaborations and action research *
>>>>>>>> - A database about the members could be a starting
>>>>>>>> point/referral point to further collaborations. A Google form can be sent
>>>>>>>> out to the group.
>>>>>>>> - Melanie Bush can help in this group with processing the data
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Comments*
>>>>>>>> - Sonali: Finding out what everyone is doing on the network
>>>>>>>> could be quite overwhelming. It would be nice to have a framework to
>>>>>>>> process that information.
>>>>>>>> - Ashish: This would be very valuable. A questionnaire should
>>>>>>>> go out soon. In order to put the information within a framework, we can
>>>>>>>> create drop down menus (MCQs).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Working Group 3: Co-organization of events (inward-facing)*
>>>>>>>> - Along similar lines to Group 2, and there is more
>>>>>>>> work/thinking required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Working Group 5: Collective Values and Principles of the
>>>>>>>> PeDAGoG network*
>>>>>>>> - Following document has been worked upon:
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17XEzP8uyXYlbMS_RF9tJ7GOB-M1MpOhs/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=111534508705890427151&rtpof=true&sd=true
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Comments*
>>>>>>>> - Sujit: Many people in this group are part of institutions
>>>>>>>> which might not be in line with PEDAGOG’s ethics.
>>>>>>>> - Vasna: Many of us are restricted by our institutions, but it
>>>>>>>> is important to have these explicit guiding principles within these
>>>>>>>> alternative spaces.
>>>>>>>> - Ashish: Agreeing with Vasna, as one of the reasons behind
>>>>>>>> PEDAGOG was to create an aspirational space, to subtly push and learn from
>>>>>>>> each other. These ethics can be a guide to what could be.
>>>>>>>> - Rama: These ethics can be a reference while critiquing the
>>>>>>>> institutional constraints faced by many of us.
>>>>>>>> - Ashish: the group can also play the role of advocacy such as
>>>>>>>> with statements of solidarity.
>>>>>>>> - Sonali: On Ashish’s point of solidarity, it can be
>>>>>>>> hypocritical to advocate for anti-capitalist ideas while having comfortable
>>>>>>>> jobs. This network can play a role in promoting alternative livelihoods and
>>>>>>>> real alternatives.
>>>>>>>> - Ashish: PEDAGOG is also supposed to challenge our
>>>>>>>> ‘comfortable’ notions, such as finding a balance between lack of
>>>>>>>> remuneration, following our interests, and well-paying jobs.
>>>>>>>> - Irene: There is an imbalance of contributions within this
>>>>>>>> group, there may be a need to push people further and become more strict
>>>>>>>> with the members who don't contribute.
>>>>>>>> - Ashish: Agreeing with the point made by Irene, one view can
>>>>>>>> be to look at the network as a long term project instead of a short term
>>>>>>>> project. There is progress being made by some working groups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Moving Forward*
>>>>>>>> - *Group 1* will look to hold a meeting in the coming month.
>>>>>>>> Call for volunteers to be sent out to the larger group for help. Ashish
>>>>>>>> will try to loop Franco and Pallav in.
>>>>>>>> - *Group 2* is working on a questionnaire for members, Melanie
>>>>>>>> will also assist the group.
>>>>>>>> - *Group 5* has already put together the ethics framework.
>>>>>>>> Another attempt can be made to send it out for comments. If there are no
>>>>>>>> comments, then we can accept this as a final document for now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Next Meeting:* 1,2,4,5,6 Feb as possible next dates. Upamanyu
>>>>>>>> will send out a Doodle Poll soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:34 PM Ashish Kothari <
>>>>>>>> ashishkothari at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues, a gentle reminder about today's meeting
>>>>>>>>> ... do join if you can! See agenda and link below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If anyone would like to moderate this, pl. do volunteer ... you
>>>>>>>>> can write back to me, not full list,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ashish
>>>>>>>>> On 27/11/21 5:43 pm, Upamanyu Das wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope you're all doing well!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We will be hosting the next online discussion of the PeGAGoG group
>>>>>>>>> on 16th Dec 2021 at 2 PM GMT.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The broad agenda of the discussion is as follows:
>>>>>>>>> 1. Check-ins
>>>>>>>>> 2. Update by the working groups - including follow up
>>>>>>>>> actions/support required by the groups
>>>>>>>>> 3. Plans for the upcoming year - including a discussion on how to
>>>>>>>>> make the group more active
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's the link for the meeting:
>>>>>>>>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/2598651679
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This will be a follow-up on the meeting held in June this year.
>>>>>>>>> You can access the key points from the previous meeting here:
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X4p8-Lf6CDDIxyzs8Jc5xx6mb3fB3bSDYsYPbZmJSK8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lastly, it would be nice if the different working groups formed in
>>>>>>>>> the previous meet could provide a short report of their progress to the
>>>>>>>>> larger group before the meeting (particularly the working groups on
>>>>>>>>> research possibilities and inward-facing events), though we will explore
>>>>>>>>> this further during the meeting itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to seeing you all there!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Upamanyu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ashish Kothari
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalpavriksh
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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