[PeDAGoG] Next Online Discussion in Feb 2022

Wed Feb 16 11:55:03 CET 2022

Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,

Here is the link to the recording of yesterday's meeting:
https://us02web.zoom.us/rec/share/bImQGk9yi6GmkudVyLwb66_AF4VTPo9Jr22Glt130a-WnRmE-BRqgUjCgUOSnkJc.tjy4JPgzlW_HphxI

Also attached are the minutes of the meeting. Please take a look at some of
the new ideas that have come up during the meeting, and let us know if
you'd like to volunteer.

*PeDAGoG Meeting - 15th Feb 2022 *

*Attendees:* Ashish Kothari, Vasna Ramasar, Upamanyu Das, Massimo de
Marchi, Pallavi Patil, Sujit Sinha, Melanie Bush, Christian Stalberg,
Laurence Davis, Adrian Schlegel, Elizabeth Rahman, Irene Sotiropoulou,
Kaustubh Rau

PeDAGoG member list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sY1zrrRvYYh0l-6qCmRjQJwKun4BJMOH7jRJ7XK2huI/edit?usp=sharing

*Meeting notes:*

   - Pallavi: On the question of PeDAGoG expanding, there are many people
   interested in the network. This is especially as courses on sustainability
   and environment are also becoming more important, so we can tap into these
   groups further.
   - Melanie and Vasna: It might be helpful to create a ‘moment/event’ that
   brings people in the network together to help with identity formation.

*Update on Working Group 1 on creating a repository of online materials*

   - For the purposes of creating an initial repository, the RED website (
   https://radicalecologicaldemocracy.org) will host material from PeDAGoG.
   - John Foran, Sujit Sinha and Adrian Schlegel are working on this
   activity. They are going though the different kinds of materials that are
   to be uploaded and looking at ways to organise them. It might possibly take
   another month or so for the uploading to begin. The WG is looking forward
   to suggestions and volunteers.

*Update on Working Group 2 on inward-facing events*

   - We can make plans to host programmes/webinars where we can learn about
   each other's approaches in depth. *(more on this in Comments)*

*Update on Working Group 5 on an ethics document*

   - Ethics document has been prepared and sent out by Angging Aban to the
   group. It will be uploaded on the RED website as part of the write-up on
   PeDAGoG.

*Comments*

   - Laurence: The online repository will be a really useful resource. It
   will help students to move beyond ‘theory’ and towards witnessing
   real-world practices. Alternatives mapping is another extremely useful area
   of interest. We should also look at strengthening ties with networks and
   other groups that are doing similar work. A collective discussion on
   ‘pedagogy’ is also required, especially for institutionalised educators to
   break out of their pedagogic ‘ruts’ and core assumptions that tend to
   dominate the discourse of education.
   - Sujit: One of the courses we taught was around education through
   hands-on work, which was also an idea of Gandhi. Pallavi is working on a
   project trying to locate such similar pedagogic practices from around the
   world. The repository we are collecting (as part of WG1) will also help in
   educating in different ways, helping more diverse groups access such
   pedagogic materials.
   - Massimo: It is important to maintain the network and share our
   experiences, as well as optimise the participation within the network.
   There is also a need for putting together resources which should be used
   for highlighting (grassroots) stories alongside our pedagogic materials.
   Sharing our common goods, time, stories, visions, and experiences is very
   important.
   - Vasna: We should look at ways to overlap and collaborate with other
   networks, such as Ecoversities.
   - Elizabeth: Knowledge exchange is a process that we have been working
   on so we have some experience with that. Alongside sharing of knowledge, we
   also want to see some grounding actions. Thinking about how to use our time
   to achieve some of these goals and also have a larger impact will  be
   important.
   - Ashish: On the mapping process, GTA has been working on an open
   sourced Mapping software to map alternative networks and practices. While
   it won’t document all alternatives processes across the world (as that
   would be impossible), it will cover many important grassroots practices,
   organisations etc. The Map will allow for anyone to add to it, so we can
   have a subsection on alternative pedagogy-based mapping which PeDAGoG
   members can lead.
   - Elizabeth: As part of the Centre for Teaching and Learning, we are
   planning to work on a series of open talks on radical pedagogy. We can see
   how to include PeDAGoG in that process.
   - Christian: I’m interested in the idea of radical pedagogy, with time,
   I would also look to contribute.
   - Sujit: Audio-video material is also important, as mentioned by members
   here. The problem is that there is a huge amount of such material, and we
   need to put together small write-ups for these materials for better
   organisation and ease of access.
   - Ashish: We can look at internship opportunities for support as well.
   - Pallavi: On the question of knowledge sharing, we can possibly try one
   event for inward-facing sharing, and we can then look at whether we would
   like to have more such inward-facing events, or public events.
   - Elizabeth: It might help now to figure out some initial ideas for
   speakers for the sharing sessions. Suggestions include Christian, and Sujit
   and Pallavi.
   - Laurence: To avoid the problem of the same people always presenting,
   we can send an open invitation on the PeDAGoG list if anyone would like to
   share their work.
   - Ashish: We can also look at groups and communities outside our
   networks as well, such as the Kurdish Rojava movement or Zapatistas.

*Ideas to work on:*

   - Series of webinars/knowledge sharing among the participants -
   Elizabeth, Pallavi, Christian
   - A global mapping of alternative learning and education
   practices/networks (as part of the GTA Mapping process)
   - Using ‘events’ to highlight the work of PeDAGoG and alternative
   pedagogies.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:31 PM Ashish Kothari <ashishkothari at riseup.net>
wrote:

> Dear PeDAGoGians, we start in 5 minutes, do join if you can,
>
> ashish
> On 15/02/22 3:22 pm, UPAMANYU DAS . wrote:
>
> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>
> A gentle reminder that we are meeting today at 3 PM GMT.
> Here is the zoom link for joining the session:
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6717720473
>
> best,
> Upamanyu
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:15 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>
>> A gentle reminder that our next meeting is on 15th Feb at 3-5 PM GMT.
>>
>> Here is the link for joining: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6717720473
>>
>> best,
>> Upamanyu
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:00 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> There was a slight mistake in my previous email -- the next meeting is
>>> to be held on *15th Feb* at *3-5 PM GMT* (*not GST*). Apologies for the
>>> confusion. I will send across a link for the meeting soon.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Upamanyu
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 4:33 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> Our next PeDAGoG meet is scheduled to be held on 15th Feb at 3-5 PM
>>>> GST. We will send across a link for same soon!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Upamanyu (GTA)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 7:32 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>>>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope you're all well!
>>>>>
>>>>> We are planning to host our next meeting in mid-February. Please find
>>>>> below a Doodle Poll for everyone to indicate their availability, Do fill it
>>>>> in *before 31st Jan *so we can finalise the date:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/qh4daremvf7kdt6d?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The broad agenda of the meeting is to continue with updates from the
>>>>> different working groups, including ways forward. Please feel free to
>>>>> suggest additional discussion points.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please see the email chain below to find the minutes of the
>>>>> previous meetings.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> Upamanyu
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 5:57 PM UPAMANYU DAS . <
>>>>> upamanyu.das18_dev at apu.edu.in> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below are the minutes of the meeting held yesterday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those who couldn't attend, please read through the next steps
>>>>>> charted out by the various working groups and feel free to volunteer
>>>>>> wherever you can help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - *Check ins*
>>>>>>    - Angging: from UPCIDS Alt Dev team
>>>>>>    - Adrian Schegel: Masters student from Germany working on
>>>>>>    post-colonial studies
>>>>>>    - Sujit Sinha: Ex-professor, living utopian, writing and
>>>>>>    translating texts into Bengali for grassroots movements as well as working
>>>>>>    on audio visual materials.
>>>>>>    - Renata Amorim: Phd student from Brazil, working with grassroots
>>>>>>    movements, connected with the eco village network, looking to find ways to
>>>>>>    engage and collaborate with the group.
>>>>>>    - Irene: Researcher in non-capitalist ecologically sustainable
>>>>>>    economics
>>>>>>    - Sonali Sathaye: Freelance educator. Alternative education
>>>>>>    linked to alternative economics is an area of interest. Working on a course
>>>>>>    on Climate Change for school students.
>>>>>>    - Rama Mohana: Faculty at IIM Ahmedabad, part of this group
>>>>>>    largely to learn about alternative education and contribute where possible.
>>>>>>    - Ashish: works with Kalpariksh, Vikalp Sangam, Global Tapestry
>>>>>>    of Alternatives.
>>>>>>    - Upamanyu: KV, VS, GTA
>>>>>>    - Vasna: Lund University, Sweden, GTA Core, WOmin
>>>>>>    - Arvin: UPCIDS Alt Dev, Community organiser in urban poor
>>>>>>    community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Updates from working groups Working Group 1: Pedagogic and knowledge
>>>>>>    sharing to build and strengthen repositories of materials*
>>>>>>    - The group made a list of the kind of materials people tend to
>>>>>>    share on Pedagog. The next question is where to save the materials.
>>>>>>    - One option is to use the GTA platform.
>>>>>>    - Start an independent website
>>>>>>    - Shared cloud drive
>>>>>>    - Funds are required, a coordinator is necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    *Comments *
>>>>>>    - Ashish: Easy access is the question. A quick call over the next
>>>>>>    couple of weeks can help in moving forward. Franco (GTA), Pallav (RED) can
>>>>>>    help. Flarum is another possibility.
>>>>>>    - Ashish: Another question is whether the space would be passive
>>>>>>    or interactive. Would it also require an internal and external section?
>>>>>>    - Upamanyu: Moodle is an option to look into—free open source
>>>>>>    learning management system
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Working Group 2: Research collaborations and action research *
>>>>>>    - A database about the members could be a starting point/referral
>>>>>>    point to further collaborations. A Google form can be sent out to the group.
>>>>>>    - Melanie Bush can help in this group with processing the data
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    *Comments*
>>>>>>    - Sonali: Finding out what everyone is doing on the network could
>>>>>>    be quite overwhelming. It would be nice to have a framework to process that
>>>>>>    information.
>>>>>>    - Ashish: This would be very valuable. A questionnaire should go
>>>>>>    out soon. In order to put the information within a framework, we can create
>>>>>>    drop down menus (MCQs).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    *Working Group 3: Co-organization of events (inward-facing)*
>>>>>>    - Along similar lines to Group 2, and there is more work/thinking
>>>>>>    required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    *Working Group 5: Collective Values and Principles of the PeDAGoG
>>>>>>    network*
>>>>>>    - Following document has been worked upon:
>>>>>>    https://docs.google.com/document/d/17XEzP8uyXYlbMS_RF9tJ7GOB-M1MpOhs/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=111534508705890427151&rtpof=true&sd=true
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    *Comments*
>>>>>>    - Sujit: Many people in this group are part of institutions which
>>>>>>    might not be in line with PEDAGOG’s ethics.
>>>>>>    - Vasna: Many of us are restricted by our institutions, but it is
>>>>>>    important to have these explicit guiding principles within these
>>>>>>    alternative spaces.
>>>>>>    - Ashish: Agreeing with Vasna, as one of the reasons behind
>>>>>>    PEDAGOG was to create an aspirational space, to subtly push and learn from
>>>>>>    each other. These ethics can be a guide to what could be.
>>>>>>    - Rama: These ethics can be a reference while critiquing the
>>>>>>    institutional constraints faced by many of us.
>>>>>>    - Ashish: the group can also play the role of advocacy such as
>>>>>>    with statements of solidarity.
>>>>>>    - Sonali: On Ashish’s point of solidarity, it can be hypocritical
>>>>>>    to advocate for anti-capitalist ideas while having comfortable jobs. This
>>>>>>    network can play a role in promoting alternative livelihoods and real
>>>>>>    alternatives.
>>>>>>    - Ashish: PEDAGOG is also supposed to challenge our ‘comfortable’
>>>>>>    notions, such as finding a balance between lack of remuneration, following
>>>>>>    our interests, and well-paying jobs.
>>>>>>    - Irene: There is an imbalance of contributions within this
>>>>>>    group, there may be a need to push people further and become more strict
>>>>>>    with the members who don't contribute.
>>>>>>    - Ashish: Agreeing with the point made by Irene, one view can be
>>>>>>    to look at the network as a long term project instead of a short term
>>>>>>    project. There is progress being made by some working groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    *Moving Forward*
>>>>>>    - *Group 1* will look to hold a meeting in the coming month. Call
>>>>>>    for volunteers to be sent out to the larger group for help. Ashish will try
>>>>>>    to loop Franco and Pallav in.
>>>>>>    - *Group 2* is working on a questionnaire for members, Melanie
>>>>>>    will also assist the group.
>>>>>>    - *Group 5* has already put together the ethics framework.
>>>>>>    Another attempt can be made to send it out for comments. If there are no
>>>>>>    comments, then we can accept this as a final document for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Next Meeting:* 1,2,4,5,6 Feb as possible next dates. Upamanyu will
>>>>>> send out a Doodle Poll soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:34 PM Ashish Kothari <
>>>>>> ashishkothari at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues, a gentle reminder about today's meeting ...
>>>>>>> do join if you can! See agenda and link below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone would like to moderate this, pl. do volunteer ... you can
>>>>>>> write back to me, not full list,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ashish
>>>>>>> On 27/11/21 5:43 pm, Upamanyu Das wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope you're all doing well!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will be hosting the next online discussion of the PeGAGoG group
>>>>>>> on 16th Dec 2021 at 2 PM GMT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The broad agenda of the discussion is as follows:
>>>>>>> 1. Check-ins
>>>>>>> 2. Update by the working groups - including follow up
>>>>>>> actions/support required by the groups
>>>>>>> 3. Plans for the upcoming year - including a discussion on how to
>>>>>>> make the group more active
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the link for the meeting:
>>>>>>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/2598651679
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This will be a follow-up on the meeting held in June this year. You
>>>>>>> can access the key points from the previous meeting here:
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X4p8-Lf6CDDIxyzs8Jc5xx6mb3fB3bSDYsYPbZmJSK8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lastly, it would be nice if the different working groups formed in
>>>>>>> the previous meet could provide a short report of their progress to the
>>>>>>> larger group before the meeting (particularly the working groups on
>>>>>>> research possibilities and inward-facing events), though we will explore
>>>>>>> this further during the meeting itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to seeing you all there!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Upamanyu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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20:31:13	 From Upamanyu (GTA) : We’ll start in about 5 mins, waiting for more folks to join
20:34:23	 From Upamanyu (GTA) to Ashish Kothari (Privately) : Hi AK, the broad agenda is updates from working groups and ways forward, I’ll be taking notes
20:34:28	 From Upamanyu (GTA) to Ashish Kothari (Privately) : SHould I also record?
20:37:16	 From Vasna Ramasar : Sorry I didn't realize I wasn't mute!
20:39:27	 From Vasna Ramasar : In South Africa, the Global Change Institute at Wits University did the same and signed an agreement for funding with a big coal company.
20:44:32	 From Vasna Ramasar : Unemployed means you are probably doing a great deal but its not paid!
20:45:26	 From Irene : Many apologies for mispronouncing your name, Sujit.
20:46:08	 From massimo.de-marchi at unipd.it : Thanks Vasha Padova university has 800 years hosted Galileo Galilei and Giordano Bruno in 1678 the first woman in the world graduated in Padova and in 2021 Padova signed agreement with ENI
20:46:26	 From Irene : @Vasna, yes, that is true, I am finishing revisions of a book and a paper, but yes, unemployment is real in capitalism.
20:46:34	 From massimo.de-marchi at unipd.it : .. no words...
20:50:19	 From Christian Stalberg (he/him) : I have to take a call back in a moment
21:09:59	 From Pallavi Varma Patil : I have called him!
21:10:33	 From massimo.de-marchi at unipd.it : YEs Pallavi also in Padova we call him!
21:12:16	 From Christian Stalberg (he/him) : so true
21:14:02	 From Upamanyu (GTA) : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sY1zrrRvYYh0l-6qCmRjQJwKun4BJMOH7jRJ7XK2huI/edit?usp=sharing
21:21:33	 From Melanie : I will have to go momentarily, can someone forward the recording link?  Thank you so much.
21:21:58	 From Upamanyu (GTA) : https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6717720473
21:22:21	 From Ashish Kothari : This is the site Sujit is talking about: https://radicalecologicaldemocracy.org
21:22:35	 From Elizabeth : THANKS
21:24:10	 From Melanie : Thank you all. Wishing you a good day-week-and beyond. Will view the recording and follow up
21:29:41	 From Elizabeth : This is the website, you will notice your objectives are nearly identical (see navigation) https://www.educerealliance.org/
21:30:01	 From Elizabeth : *our
21:38:39	 From Vasna Ramasar : Elizabeth, am I right that the Educere group is mainly UK based at established universities?
21:39:04	 From Elizabeth : actually, it is mainly local community communities and not institutions
21:39:28	 From Vasna Ramasar : That's great!
21:39:29	 From Elizabeth : the institutional focus, is new, liked to my current role and work.
21:39:46	 From Elizabeth : and wondering which and where to draw forward
21:42:27	 From Sujit Sinha : three broad groups of pedagogs : school level ; university level ;and for people who have very less formal institutions .
21:42:47	 From Christian Stalberg (he/him) : I love Pluriverse and am tentatively going to meet with Arturo Escobar in March in North Carolina.
21:43:26	 From Ashish Kothari : Nice to know, Christian … he is really inspiring!
21:51:26	 From Vasna Ramasar : It was nice to hear from everyone about what you do and the good ideas shared! Have a lovely day/night.
21:57:35	 From Elizabeth : I think I haven't yet been included on the list, please do include me
21:58:07	 From Upamanyu (GTA) : Alright I’ll see if you’ve been added, otherwise will do so
22:03:27	 From Ashish Kothari : This material is available at www.vikalpsangam.org
22:04:10	 From Elizabeth : elizabeth.rahman at ctl.ox.ac.uk
22:09:20	 From Christian Stalberg (he/him) : I am critiquing the SDGs in my work via an educational approach. I will not use the term 'degrowth' for example. Too triggering!
22:10:22	 From Pallavi Varma Patil : yeah she Is our beta tester
22:10:28	 From Ashish Kothari : Yes, Christian … we prefer post-development, post-growth etc … or pluriverse, to encompass many approaches including degrowth
22:10:41	 From Christian Stalberg (he/him) : yes indeed
22:13:16	 From massimo.de-marchi at unipd.it : https://uploads.knightlab.com/storymapjs/c3dcbf732c6889054b6b85a03937dc6c/isolario-of-food-democracy-1/index.html
22:14:50	 From massimo.de-marchi at unipd.it : https://research.climate-justice.earth/it/myorganization
22:15:02	 From massimo.de-marchi at unipd.it : https://research.climate-justice.earth/it/mybestpractice
22:19:56	 From Christian Stalberg (he/him) : that's fascinating. like deprogramming!
22:20:28	 From Laurence Davis : Wonderful, exciting ideas!