[PeDAGoG] [REDlistserve] A new article on the RED website - "The path to a just and sustainable society"

Tue Sep 28 11:46:49 CEST 2021

Nice point Carlos.
Considering how states are historically sex-gendered institutions may offer a way forward that mediates yours and Ted’s position …?
Ariel

On 28 Sep 2021, at 6:58 am, Carlos Tornel <tornelc at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all and thanks Pallav for sharing this article!

I'm relatively new on some of the lists, but I thought I could share some thoughts after the reading. 

I found the article quite useful for thinking about how we can start to build a post (growth, capitalism, extractive, etc.) society. I have faced similar questions and concerns when advocating for a convivial or a communal society in different spaces, such as what do we do with state power? With armies, the military, nuclear weapons, etc.? How do we move away from the Hobbian reality of power and the state? Several of the anarchist and degrowth proponentes (although not so many have looked seriously at this link until recently) have formulated proposals against this, i.e. try to reduce our dependence on the state and progressively move away from it. However this brings back the debate we've been having for some time now in Latin America, should we seek to take back the state or not? My own opinion is that we should, through several of the proposals presented in the article, such as food and energy sovereignty, we can progressively start to move away from the state, leading towards more convivial societies. However it does seem that the state will have to play a part in this transition, so perhaps we need to think of the transition from one society to another in different scales and with different agencies: I.e. What should we ask from the state? What can we do ourselves in local and communal terms and how can we continue to build networks of solidarity or communitarian entanglements at the regional, and even global level.  

My thanks again Pallav for sharing and to Ted for a very insightful and useful analysis.

Best, 

Carlos 

El sáb, 25 sept 2021 a las 5:06, Pallav Das (<dpallav at gmail.com>) escribió:
The "eco-anarchist" transition strategy relies on “prefiguring” the new social forms in the existing society. The most effective way to get people to see the sense and the merits of the new ways is to establish as many examples of them as possible here and now. This approach minimizes the chances of violent conflict; if we persuade large numbers to the alternative then radical change in structures might be brought about peacefully.

Friends,

A new article, "The path to a just and sustainable society" has been uploaded to the "Radical Ecological Democracy" website. In the second part of his discussion on “Eco-anarchism”, Ted Trainer lays out the core characteristics of a post consumer capitalist society, operating on the principles of “The Simpler Way”.  Please share the article with your networks and join the discussion on REDlistserv. The author is copied here in case you would like to contact him directly.

https://www.radicalecologicaldemocracy.org/the-path-to-a-just-and-sustainable-society/

Best,

Pallav

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