dear friends, I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan(the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind, The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed. By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) -- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Thank you for the info, Michel I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish. Best, jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan(the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
dear Jorge, at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators, your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, Michel On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan(the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Dear Michel That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think? I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. Best, jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
ok, great jorge, let me know! On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace. Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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Jorge, emilio, Michel Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it. Regards Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]
wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
> dear friends, > > I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first > integrated transition program to a commons-based society > > This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be > accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation > of open commons in every domain of social activity. > > The main document is here, > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph > explains the institutional background of the project) > > and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: > https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ > > General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy > proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text > > I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, > as this is the first example of its kind, > > The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the > project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while > ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative > commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been > guaranteed. > > By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would > contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. > > Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, Michel On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]> wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]
wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < [email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you for the info, Michel > > I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. > I can do it in English or Spanish. > > Best, > > > jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano > > > 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > : > >> dear friends, >> >> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first >> integrated transition program to a commons-based society >> >> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >> >> The main document is here, >> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >> >> and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: >> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >> >> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >> >> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >> >> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the >> project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while >> ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative >> commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been >> guaranteed. >> >> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >> >> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]> wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < [email protected]> wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
> dear Jorge, > > at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also > appeal for volunteer translators, > > your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, > > Michel > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you for the info, Michel >> >> I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >> I can do it in English or Spanish. >> >> Best, >> >> >> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >> >> >> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >> >: >> >>> dear friends, >>> >>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first >>> integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>> >>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>> >>> The main document is here, >>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>> >>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>> participation: >>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>> >>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >>> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>> >>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>> >>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that >>> the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>> yet been guaranteed. >>> >>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>> >>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>> >>> -- >>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >>> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> >>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
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Dear Emilio, this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me, Michel On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected]>wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]> wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < [email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Michel > > That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the > whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer > translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do > you think? > > I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will > let you know if I have any questions or need something else. > > Best, > > jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano > > > 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > : > >> dear Jorge, >> >> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >> appeal for volunteer translators, >> >> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>> >>> I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org >>> . >>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>> >>> >>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>>> dear friends, >>>> >>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first >>>> integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>> >>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>> >>>> The main document is here, >>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>> >>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>> participation: >>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>> >>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >>>> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>> >>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>> >>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that >>>> the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>> >>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>>> >>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time… Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected]> wrote: Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]> wrote: Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards
Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escreveu: Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>: Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>: dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>: dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
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we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc, Michel On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected]>wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
> ok, great jorge, let me know! > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Michel >> >> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the >> whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >> you think? >> >> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will >> let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >> >> Best, >> >> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >> >> >> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >> >: >> >>> dear Jorge, >>> >>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >>> appeal for volunteer translators, >>> >>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>> >>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> >>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>> [email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> dear friends, >>>>> >>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first >>>>> integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>> >>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>> >>>>> The main document is here, >>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>> >>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>> participation: >>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>> >>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >>>>> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>> >>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>> >>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that >>>>> the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>> >>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>>>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>>>> >>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >>> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> >>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing: http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts. After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation. On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected]>wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've > done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo > could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short > amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the > same time and at their own pace. > > Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish > it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! > > > On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ok, great jorge, let me know! >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Michel >>> >>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the >>> whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>> you think? >>> >>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I >>> will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>> >>> >>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>>> dear Jorge, >>>> >>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >>>> appeal for volunteer translators, >>>> >>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the >>>>>> first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>> >>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>> >>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>> >>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>> participation: >>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>> >>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >>>>>> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>> >>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>> >>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that >>>>>> the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>>> >>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>>>>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations. And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated.. Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations... Regards Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected]>wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escreveu:
> Jorge, emilio, Michel > > Let´s do it. > Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, > formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. > > Acá estoy para lo que haga falta > Bernardo > > > 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>: > >> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've >> done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo >> could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short >> amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the >> same time and at their own pace. >> >> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to >> finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >> >> >> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Michel >>>> >>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the >>>> whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>>> you think? >>>> >>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I >>>> will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>> [email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >>>>> appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>> >>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the >>>>>>> first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>>>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>>>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the >>>>>>> policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger >>>>>>> that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>>>>>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >>> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> >>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > www.futuramedia.net > www.codigo-abierto.cc > @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media > São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular) > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > > _______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the translators. if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great. I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work: * the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version) * Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link) Michel On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]> wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have
the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected]>wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote:
> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help > with it. > > Regards > Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> > escreveu: > >> Jorge, emilio, Michel >> >> Let´s do it. >> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, >> formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >> >> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >> Bernardo >> >> >> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>: >> >>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. >>> I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think >>> Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a >>> short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents >>> at the same time and at their own pace. >>> >>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to >>> finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>> >>> >>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Michel >>>>> >>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the >>>>> whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>>>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>>>> you think? >>>>> >>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I >>>>> will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>> >>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >>>>>> appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>> >>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the >>>>>>>> first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>>>>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>>>>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the >>>>>>>> policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger >>>>>>>> that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework >>>>>>>> you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed >>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> www.futuramedia.net >> www.codigo-abierto.cc >> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word. jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano 2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]> wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have
the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected]
wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, > > for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case > a reviewer will be essential for the final version > > and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, > and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, > > Michel > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help >> with it. >> >> Regards >> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> >> escreveu: >> >>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>> >>> Let´s do it. >>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>> >>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>> Bernardo >>> >>> >>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]> >>> : >>> >>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. >>>> I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think >>>> Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a >>>> short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents >>>> at the same time and at their own pace. >>>> >>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to >>>> finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing >>>>>> the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>>>>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>>>>> you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I >>>>>> will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >>>>>>> appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the >>>>>>>>> first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>>>>>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>>>>>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>>>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the >>>>>>>>> policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>>>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger >>>>>>>>> that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>>>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>>>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>>>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework >>>>>>>>> you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed >>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; >>>>>>>>> I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.futuramedia.net >>> www.codigo-abierto.cc >>> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >>> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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Emilio, does the version you copied to the pads cover only sections 2 and 3? I'm a bit lost right now. Where can I see what has been translated so far, and continue translating? Are we definitely using the pads and only the pads? Or is the translation platform still undecided? Best, jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano 2014-05-07 11:03 GMT+02:00 Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the
translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]> wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have
the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected]
wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < [email protected]> wrote:
> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and > post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following > week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. > > I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in > Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this > email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have > experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a > collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they > can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. > > > > On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: > >> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >> >> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case >> a reviewer will be essential for the final version >> >> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, >> and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help >>> with it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>> >>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>> >>>> Let´s do it. >>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>> >>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>> Bernardo >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected] >>>> >: >>>> >>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. >>>>> I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think >>>>> Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a >>>>> short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents >>>>> at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>> >>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to >>>>> finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing >>>>>>> the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>>>>>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>>>>>> you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I >>>>>>> will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to >>>>>>>> also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the >>>>>>>>>> first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will >>>>>>>>>> be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the >>>>>>>>>> creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>>>>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the >>>>>>>>>> policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>>>>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger >>>>>>>>>> that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>>>>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>>>>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>>>>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework >>>>>>>>>> you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed >>>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; >>>>>>>>>> I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.futuramedia.net >>>> www.codigo-abierto.cc >>>> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >>>> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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Dear Jorge, I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update This is what is says: We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit. We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here: - Natalie Baur - Mariangela Petrizzo - Ana Cristina Benalcazar - Santiago Roca - Ana Valdés Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar Volunteer reviewers: - Emilio Velis - David Vila Review coordinator: Emilio Velis STATUS OF TRANSLATION The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation. The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis: 1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the
translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]> wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have
the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected]
wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < [email protected]> wrote:
> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and > post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following > week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. > > I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in > Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this > email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have > experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a > collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they > can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. > > > > On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: > >> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >> >> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case >> a reviewer will be essential for the final version >> >> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, >> and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help >>> with it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>> >>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>> >>>> Let´s do it. >>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>> >>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>> Bernardo >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected] >>>> >: >>>> >>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. >>>>> I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think >>>>> Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a >>>>> short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents >>>>> at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>> >>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to >>>>> finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing >>>>>>> the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>>>>>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>>>>>> you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I >>>>>>> will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to >>>>>>>> also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the >>>>>>>>>> first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will >>>>>>>>>> be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the >>>>>>>>>> creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>>>>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the >>>>>>>>>> policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>>>>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger >>>>>>>>>> that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>>>>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>>>>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>>>>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework >>>>>>>>>> you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed >>>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; >>>>>>>>>> I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.futuramedia.net >>>> www.codigo-abierto.cc >>>> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >>>> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
- Natalie Baur
- Mariangela Petrizzo
- Ana Cristina Benalcazar
- Santiago Roca
- Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
- Emilio Velis
- David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the
translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also
have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative > issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for > the start time… > > Agustín > El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > escribió: > > Dear Emilio, > > this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, > but not included > > > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... > > if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of > course fine for me, > > Michel > > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces >> and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the >> following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. >> >> I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info >> in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked >> this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have >> experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a >> collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they >> can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. >> >> >> >> On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >>> >>> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any >>> case a reviewer will be essential for the final version >>> >>> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, >>> and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help >>>> with it. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>>> >>>>> Let´s do it. >>>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>>> >>>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>>> Bernardo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis < >>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. >>>>>> I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think >>>>>> Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a >>>>>> short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents >>>>>> at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to >>>>>> finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing >>>>>>>> the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>>>>>>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>>>>>>> you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and >>>>>>>> I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to >>>>>>>>> also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the >>>>>>>>>>> first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will >>>>>>>>>>> be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the >>>>>>>>>>> creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>>>>>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the >>>>>>>>>>> policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>>>>>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger >>>>>>>>>>> that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>>>>>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>>>>>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>>>>>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework >>>>>>>>>>> you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed >>>>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February >>>>>>>>>>> 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; 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I have >>> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> >>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; 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Ramón: Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal. Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte. On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
- Natalie Baur
- Mariangela Petrizzo
- Ana Cristina Benalcazar
- Santiago Roca
- Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
- Emilio Velis
- David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the
translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also
have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
> we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having > translated a substantial portion, see > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update > > David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort > internally, and is in cc, > > Michel > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative >> issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for >> the start time… >> >> Agustín >> El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens < >> [email protected]> escribió: >> >> Dear Emilio, >> >> this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), >> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >> >> 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. >> until, but not included >> >> >> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... >> >> if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of >> course fine for me, >> >> Michel >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces >>> and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the >>> following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. >>> >>> I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info >>> in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked >>> this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have >>> experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a >>> collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they >>> can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >>>> >>>> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any >>>> case a reviewer will be essential for the final version >>>> >>>> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be >>>> great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help >>>>> with it. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> Let´s do it. >>>>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>>>> >>>>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>>>> Bernardo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis < >>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. >>>>>>> I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think >>>>>>> Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a >>>>>>> short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents >>>>>>> at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to >>>>>>> finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing >>>>>>>>> the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>>>>>>>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>>>>>>>> you think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and >>>>>>>>> I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to >>>>>>>>>> also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of >>>>>>>>>>>> the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will >>>>>>>>>>>> be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the >>>>>>>>>>>> creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the >>>>>>>>>>>> first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the >>>>>>>>>>>> policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in >>>>>>>>>>>> your networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct >>>>>>>>>>>> danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token >>>>>>>>>>>> initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place >>>>>>>>>>>> around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document >>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition >>>>>>>>>>>> framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed changes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February >>>>>>>>>>>> 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; >>>>>>>>>> I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.futuramedia.net >>>>>> www.codigo-abierto.cc >>>>>> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >>>>>> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; 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Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas
El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
* Natalie Baur
* Mariangela Petrizzo
* Ana Cristina Benalcazar
* Santiago Roca
* Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
* Emilio Velis
* David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación <http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigaci%C3%B3n>
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards
Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards
Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org <http://www.ecosistemaurbano.org/>. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org <http://floksociety.org/> ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
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por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]>wrote:
Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON
PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
- Natalie Baur
- Mariangela Petrizzo
- Ana Cristina Benalcazar
- Santiago Roca
- Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
- Emilio Velis
- David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the
translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also > have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts > to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing: > > http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 > http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 > http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 > http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 > http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 > http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 > > This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already > adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts. > > After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish > it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the > whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and > then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation. > > > On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: > >> we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having >> translated a substantial portion, see >> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update >> >> David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort >> internally, and is in cc, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative >>> issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for >>> the start time… >>> >>> Agustín >>> El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]> escribió: >>> >>> Dear Emilio, >>> >>> this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title >>> pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>> >>> 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. >>> until, but not included >>> >>> >>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... >>> >>> if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is >>> of course fine for me, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in >>>> pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the >>>> following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. >>>> >>>> I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this >>>> info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have >>>> overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list >>>> don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation >>>> on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or >>>> they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >>>>> >>>>> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any >>>>> case a reviewer will be essential for the final version >>>>> >>>>> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be >>>>> great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can >>>>>> help with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let´s do it. >>>>>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>>>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>>>>> Bernardo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis < >>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a >>>>>>>> translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of >>>>>>>> hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat >>>>>>>> in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the >>>>>>>> same documents at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text >>>>>>>> to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article >>>>>>>>>> introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for >>>>>>>>>> volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" >>>>>>>>>> guide. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here >>>>>>>>>> and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and >>>>>>>>>>> to also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and >>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the >>>>>>>>>>>>> creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the >>>>>>>>>>>>> first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; >>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in >>>>>>>>>>>>> your networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct >>>>>>>>>>>>> danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token >>>>>>>>>>>>> initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place >>>>>>>>>>>>> around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document >>>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition >>>>>>>>>>>>> framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed changes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February >>>>>>>>>>> 8; 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Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi idioma natal es el único que entiendo :( y con cuerts fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la valiosa información que comentáis. Saludos El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]
wrote:
Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON
PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
- Natalie Baur
- Mariangela Petrizzo
- Ana Cristina Benalcazar
- Santiago Roca
- Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
- Emilio Velis
- David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the
translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote:
> As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations. > > And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en > Where the diaspora project is being translated.. > > Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other > future translations... > > Regards > Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> > escreveu: > > Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We >> also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six >> parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing: >> >> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 >> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 >> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 >> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 >> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 >> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 >> >> This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already >> adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts. >> >> After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish >> it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the >> whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and >> then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation. >> >> >> On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having >>> translated a substantial portion, see >>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update >>> >>> David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort >>> internally, and is in cc, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in >>>> collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just >>>> waiting for the start time… >>>> >>>> Agustín >>>> El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens < >>>> [email protected]> escribió: >>>> >>>> Dear Emilio, >>>> >>>> this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title >>>> pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>>> >>>> 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. >>>> until, but not included >>>> >>>> >>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... >>>> >>>> if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is >>>> of course fine for me, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in >>>>> pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the >>>>> following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. >>>>> >>>>> I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this >>>>> info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have >>>>> overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list >>>>> don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation >>>>> on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or >>>>> they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >>>>>> >>>>>> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any >>>>>> case a reviewer will be essential for the final version >>>>>> >>>>>> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be >>>>>> great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can >>>>>>> help with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let´s do it. >>>>>>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>>>>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>>>>>> Bernardo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis < >>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a >>>>>>>>> translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of >>>>>>>>> hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat >>>>>>>>> in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the >>>>>>>>> same documents at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text >>>>>>>>> to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article >>>>>>>>>>> introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for >>>>>>>>>>> volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" >>>>>>>>>>> guide. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here >>>>>>>>>>> and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and >>>>>>>>>>>> to also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct >>>>>>>>>>>>>> danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token >>>>>>>>>>>>>> initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place >>>>>>>>>>>>>> around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition >>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed changes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February >>>>>>>>>> 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> www.futuramedia.net >>>>>>>> www.codigo-abierto.cc >>>>>>>> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >>>>>>>> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 <%2B55%2011%2043044380> (fijo) +55 >>>>>>>> 11 84881620 (celular) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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y para mi espagnol es muj difficil, entonces participo minimamente en esta lista <g> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]>wrote:
Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi idioma natal es el único que entiendo :( y con cuerts fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la valiosa información que comentáis. Saludos El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez < [email protected]> wrote:
Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON
PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
- Natalie Baur
- Mariangela Petrizzo
- Ana Cristina Benalcazar
- Santiago Roca
- Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
- Emilio Velis
- David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]
wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the > translators. > > if you can update this > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with > whatever decision, it would be great. > > I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to > avoid duplicate work: > > * the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full > participatory version but only part of the wiki version) > > * Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link) > > Michel > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote: > >> As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations. >> >> And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en >> Where the diaspora project is being translated.. >> >> Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other >> future translations... >> >> Regards >> Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> >> escreveu: >> >> Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We >>> also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six >>> parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing: >>> >>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 >>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 >>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 >>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 >>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 >>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 >>> >>> This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already >>> adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts. >>> >>> After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish >>> it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the >>> whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and >>> then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation. >>> >>> >>> On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having >>>> translated a substantial portion, see >>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update >>>> >>>> David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort >>>> internally, and is in cc, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in >>>>> collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just >>>>> waiting for the start time… >>>>> >>>>> Agustín >>>>> El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens < >>>>> [email protected]> escribió: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Emilio, >>>>> >>>>> this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title >>>>> pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>>>> >>>>> 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. >>>>> until, but not included >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... >>>>> >>>>> if you know of any translation platform that is better, that >>>>> is of course fine for me, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in >>>>>> pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the >>>>>> following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this >>>>>> info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have >>>>>> overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list >>>>>> don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation >>>>>> on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or >>>>>> they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any >>>>>>> case a reviewer will be essential for the final version >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be >>>>>>> great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can >>>>>>>> help with it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let´s do it. >>>>>>>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>>>>>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>>>>>>> Bernardo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a >>>>>>>>>> translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of >>>>>>>>>> hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat >>>>>>>>>> in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the >>>>>>>>>> same documents at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text >>>>>>>>>> to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article >>>>>>>>>>>> introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" >>>>>>>>>>>> guide. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here >>>>>>>>>>>> and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> to also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed changes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February >>>>>>>>>>> 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> www.futuramedia.net >>>>>>>>> www.codigo-abierto.cc >>>>>>>>> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >>>>>>>>> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 <%2B55%2011%2043044380> (fijo) >>>>>>>>> +55 11 84881620 (celular) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; >>>>>>> I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; > http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Uff. Si, es complicada la comunicación así, te entiendo perfectamente porque a veces me encuentro como un extranjero en esta lista. Por eso mismo pensé que habían hecho dos listas, una para los latinoamericanos y otra para los angloparlantes, de ahí la pregunta. Gracias por el esfuerzo El 13/05/2014 16:14, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
y para mi espagnol es muj difficil, entonces participo minimamente en esta lista <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]
wrote:
Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi idioma natal es el único que entiendo :( y con cuerts fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la valiosa información que comentáis. Saludos El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez < [email protected]> wrote:
Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON
PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
- Natalie Baur
- Mariangela Petrizzo
- Ana Cristina Benalcazar
- Santiago Roca
- Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
- Emilio Velis
- David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo < [email protected]> wrote:
> So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then > publish something about it, right? > I'm already spreading the word. > > jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano > > > 2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>: > > > I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the >> translators. >> >> if you can update this >> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with >> whatever decision, it would be great. >> >> I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to >> avoid duplicate work: >> >> * the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full >> participatory version but only part of the wiki version) >> >> * Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status >> link) >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations. >>> >>> And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en >>> Where the diaspora project is being translated.. >>> >>> Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other >>> future translations... >>> >>> Regards >>> Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> >>> escreveu: >>> >>> Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We >>>> also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six >>>> parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing: >>>> >>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 >>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 >>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 >>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 >>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 >>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 >>>> >>>> This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already >>>> adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts. >>>> >>>> After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to >>>> finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, >>>> the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and >>>> then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having >>>>> translated a substantial portion, see >>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update >>>>> >>>>> David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort >>>>> internally, and is in cc, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in >>>>>> collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just >>>>>> waiting for the start time… >>>>>> >>>>>> Agustín >>>>>> El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>> [email protected]> escribió: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Emilio, >>>>>> >>>>>> this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title >>>>>> pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>>>>> >>>>>> 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. >>>>>> until, but not included >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... >>>>>> >>>>>> if you know of any translation platform that is better, that >>>>>> is of course fine for me, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in >>>>>>> pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the >>>>>>> following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this >>>>>>> info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have >>>>>>> overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list >>>>>>> don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation >>>>>>> on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or >>>>>>> they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in >>>>>>>> any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be >>>>>>>> great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can >>>>>>>>> help with it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let´s do it. >>>>>>>>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>>>>>>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>>>>>>>> Bernardo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a >>>>>>>>>>> translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of >>>>>>>>>>> hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat >>>>>>>>>>> in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the >>>>>>>>>>> same documents at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the >>>>>>>>>>> text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article >>>>>>>>>>>>> introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for >>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" >>>>>>>>>>>>> guide. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and to also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and participation: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed changes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> www.futuramedia.net >>>>>>>>>> www.codigo-abierto.cc >>>>>>>>>> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >>>>>>>>>> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 <%2B55%2011%2043044380> (fijo) >>>>>>>>>> +55 11 84881620 (celular) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; >>>>>>>> I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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no pienso que es necessario, hay multiples listes en ingles sobre este tema, pero no hay sufficiente listas en castellano con un focus specifico sobre 'p2p' .. On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]>wrote:
Uff. Si, es complicada la comunicación así, te entiendo perfectamente porque a veces me encuentro como un extranjero en esta lista. Por eso mismo pensé que habían hecho dos listas, una para los latinoamericanos y otra para los angloparlantes, de ahí la pregunta. Gracias por el esfuerzo El 13/05/2014 16:14, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
y para mi espagnol es muj difficil, entonces participo minimamente en esta lista <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez < [email protected]> wrote:
Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi idioma natal es el único que entiendo :( y con cuerts fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la valiosa información que comentáis. Saludos El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez < [email protected]> wrote:
Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON
PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
Dear Jorge, > > I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see > > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update > > This is what is says: > > We have been informed that the translation of this document to > Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no > workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the > summit. > > We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and > listing them here: > > - Natalie Baur > > > - Mariangela Petrizzo > > > - Ana Cristina Benalcazar > > > - Santiago Roca > > > - Ana Valdés > > > Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar > > > Volunteer reviewers: > > - Emilio Velis > > > - David Vila > > > Review coordinator: Emilio Velis > > > STATUS OF TRANSLATION > > > The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a > Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at > https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ > > Part of this document has been already translated: > http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación > > Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and > 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation. > > The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis: > > 1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 > 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 > 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 > 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 > 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 > 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 > > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and >> then publish something about it, right? >> I'm already spreading the word. >> >> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >> >> >> 2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >> >: >> >> I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for >>> the translators. >>> >>> if you can update this >>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with >>> whatever decision, it would be great. >>> >>> I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to >>> avoid duplicate work: >>> >>> * the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full >>> participatory version but only part of the wiki version) >>> >>> * Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status >>> link) >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations. >>>> >>>> And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en >>>> Where the diaspora project is being translated.. >>>> >>>> Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other >>>> future translations... >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> >>>> escreveu: >>>> >>>> Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We >>>>> also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six >>>>> parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing: >>>>> >>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 >>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 >>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 >>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 >>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 >>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 >>>>> >>>>> This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already >>>>> adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts. >>>>> >>>>> After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to >>>>> finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, >>>>> the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and >>>>> then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having >>>>>> translated a substantial portion, see >>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update >>>>>> >>>>>> David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort >>>>>> internally, and is in cc, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in >>>>>>> collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just >>>>>>> waiting for the start time… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Agustín >>>>>>> El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>> [email protected]> escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Emilio, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title >>>>>>> pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, >>>>>>> i.e. until, but not included >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> if you know of any translation platform that is better, that >>>>>>> is of course fine for me, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in >>>>>>>> pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the >>>>>>>> following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think we'll need to start another line of emails with >>>>>>>> this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have >>>>>>>> overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list >>>>>>>> don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation >>>>>>>> on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or >>>>>>>> they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in >>>>>>>>> any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be >>>>>>>>> great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can >>>>>>>>>> help with it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let´s do it. >>>>>>>>>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>>>>>>>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>>>>>>>>> Bernardo >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a >>>>>>>>>>>> translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of >>>>>>>>>>>> hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat >>>>>>>>>>>> in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the >>>>>>>>>>>> same documents at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the >>>>>>>>>>>> text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article >>>>>>>>>>>>>> introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something >>>>>>>>>>>>>> else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and to also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and participation: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org; the policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document has not yet been guaranteed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed changes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on >>>>>>>>>>>>> February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> www.futuramedia.net >>>>>>>>>>> www.codigo-abierto.cc >>>>>>>>>>> @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media >>>>>>>>>>> São Paulo +55 11 43044380 <%2B55%2011%2043044380> (fijo) >>>>>>>>>>> +55 11 84881620 (celular) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February >>>>>>>>> 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; >>>>>>> I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>>> Lista >>>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; > http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >
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Completamente de acuerdo contigo, por eso me entristece perderme tanta información interesante en esta lista porque no esté en castellano. Es más, estoy convencido que algunos de los proyectos que citáis deben ser superinteresantes, pero lamentablemente no entiendo nada :( Saludos cordiales y muchas gracias una vez más. El 13/05/14 19:14, Michel Bauwens escribió:
no pienso que es necessario, hay multiples listes en ingles sobre este tema, pero no hay sufficiente listas en castellano con un focus specifico sobre 'p2p' ..
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Uff. Si, es complicada la comunicación así, te entiendo perfectamente porque a veces me encuentro como un extranjero en esta lista. Por eso mismo pensé que habían hecho dos listas, una para los latinoamericanos y otra para los angloparlantes, de ahí la pregunta. Gracias por el esfuerzo
El 13/05/2014 16:14, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
y para mi espagnol es muj difficil, entonces participo minimamente en esta lista <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi idioma natal es el único que entiendo :( y con cuerts fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la valiosa información que comentáis. Saludos
El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON
PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas
El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
* Natalie Baur
* Mariangela Petrizzo
* Ana Cristina Benalcazar
* Santiago Roca
* Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
* Emilio Velis
* David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación <http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigaci%C3%B3n>
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards
Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time...
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards
Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org <http://www.ecosistemaurbano.org/>. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org <http://floksociety.org/> ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
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bernardo puede explicar todo <g> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]>wrote:
Completamente de acuerdo contigo, por eso me entristece perderme tanta información interesante en esta lista porque no esté en castellano. Es más, estoy convencido que algunos de los proyectos que citáis deben ser superinteresantes, pero lamentablemente no entiendo nada :( Saludos cordiales y muchas gracias una vez más. El 13/05/14 19:14, Michel Bauwens escribió:
no pienso que es necessario, hay multiples listes en ingles sobre este tema, pero no hay sufficiente listas en castellano con un focus specifico sobre 'p2p' ..
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez < [email protected]> wrote:
Uff. Si, es complicada la comunicación así, te entiendo perfectamente porque a veces me encuentro como un extranjero en esta lista. Por eso mismo pensé que habían hecho dos listas, una para los latinoamericanos y otra para los angloparlantes, de ahí la pregunta. Gracias por el esfuerzo El 13/05/2014 16:14, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
y para mi espagnol es muj difficil, entonces participo minimamente en esta lista <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez < [email protected]> wrote:
Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi idioma natal es el único que entiendo :( y con cuerts fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la valiosa información que comentáis. Saludos El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> escribió:
por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez < [email protected]> wrote:
Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON
PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected]>wrote:
> Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? > O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente > solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado > en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría > permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. > Saludos > > Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas > ortográficas > El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> > escribió: > > Dear Jorge, >> >> I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, >> see >> >> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update >> >> This is what is says: >> >> We have been informed that the translation of this document to >> Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no >> workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the >> summit. >> >> We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and >> listing them here: >> >> - Natalie Baur >> >> >> - Mariangela Petrizzo >> >> >> - Ana Cristina Benalcazar >> >> >> - Santiago Roca >> >> >> - Ana Valdés >> >> >> Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar >> >> >> Volunteer reviewers: >> >> - Emilio Velis >> >> >> - David Vila >> >> >> Review coordinator: Emilio Velis >> >> >> STATUS OF TRANSLATION >> >> >> The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a >> Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at >> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >> >> Part of this document has been already translated: >> http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación >> >> Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 >> and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation. >> >> The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis: >> >> 1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 >> 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 >> 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 >> 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 >> 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 >> 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and >>> then publish something about it, right? >>> I'm already spreading the word. >>> >>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>> >>> >>> 2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>> I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for >>>> the translators. >>>> >>>> if you can update this >>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Updatewith whatever decision, it would be great. >>>> >>>> I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to >>>> avoid duplicate work: >>>> >>>> * the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full >>>> participatory version but only part of the wiki version) >>>> >>>> * Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status >>>> link) >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations. >>>>> >>>>> And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en >>>>> Where the diaspora project is being translated.. >>>>> >>>>> Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other >>>>> future translations... >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected]> >>>>> escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We >>>>>> also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six >>>>>> parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 >>>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 >>>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 >>>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 >>>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 >>>>>> http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6 >>>>>> >>>>>> This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm >>>>>> already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts. >>>>>> >>>>>> After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to >>>>>> finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, >>>>>> the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and >>>>>> then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having >>>>>>> translated a substantial portion, see >>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort >>>>>>> internally, and is in cc, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in >>>>>>>> collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just >>>>>>>> waiting for the start time… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Agustín >>>>>>>> El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> escribió: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Emilio, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title >>>>>>>> pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, >>>>>>>> i.e. until, but not included >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if you know of any translation platform that is better, >>>>>>>> that is of course fine for me, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in >>>>>>>>> pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the >>>>>>>>> following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think we'll need to start another line of emails with >>>>>>>>> this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have >>>>>>>>> overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list >>>>>>>>> don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation >>>>>>>>> on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or >>>>>>>>> they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in >>>>>>>>>> any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would >>>>>>>>>> be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I >>>>>>>>>>> can help with it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge, emilio, Michel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let´s do it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, >>>>>>>>>>>> copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Acá estoy para lo que haga falta >>>>>>>>>>>> Bernardo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>> translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of >>>>>>>>>>>>> hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat >>>>>>>>>>>>> in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> same documents at the same time and at their own pace. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok, great jorge, let me know! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will go through the documentation you just linked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear Jorge, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and to also appeal for volunteer translators, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan(the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and participation: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org; the policy proposals are here at ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place around generative commons. 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Gracias El 13/05/14 19:38, Michel Bauwens escribió:
bernardo puede explicar todo <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Completamente de acuerdo contigo, por eso me entristece perderme tanta información interesante en esta lista porque no esté en castellano. Es más, estoy convencido que algunos de los proyectos que citáis deben ser superinteresantes, pero lamentablemente no entiendo nada :( Saludos cordiales y muchas gracias una vez más. El 13/05/14 19:14, Michel Bauwens escribió:
no pienso que es necessario, hay multiples listes en ingles sobre este tema, pero no hay sufficiente listas en castellano con un focus specifico sobre 'p2p' ..
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Uff. Si, es complicada la comunicación así, te entiendo perfectamente porque a veces me encuentro como un extranjero en esta lista. Por eso mismo pensé que habían hecho dos listas, una para los latinoamericanos y otra para los angloparlantes, de ahí la pregunta. Gracias por el esfuerzo
El 13/05/2014 16:14, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
y para mi espagnol es muj difficil, entonces participo minimamente en esta lista <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi idioma natal es el único que entiendo :( y con cuerts fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la valiosa información que comentáis. Saludos
El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste. Saludos y gracias, RAMON
PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:
Ramón:
Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.
Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.
On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender. Saludos
Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas
El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
Dear Jorge,
I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
This is what is says:
We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.
We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:
* Natalie Baur
* Mariangela Petrizzo
* Ana Cristina Benalcazar
* Santiago Roca
* Ana Valdés
Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar
Volunteer reviewers:
* Emilio Velis
* David Vila
Review coordinator: Emilio Velis
STATUS OF TRANSLATION
The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación <http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigaci%C3%B3n>
Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.
The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:
1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right? I'm already spreading the word.
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the translators.
if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.
I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:
* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)
* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.
And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en Where the diaspora project is being translated..
Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...
Regards
Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escreveu:
Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5 http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6
This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.
After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.
On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update
David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,
Michel
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time...
Agustín El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
Dear Emilio,
this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical...
if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.
I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.
On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,
for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version
and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.
Regards
Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escreveu:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it.
Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org <http://www.ecosistemaurbano.org/>. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
dear friends,
I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society
This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity.
The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)
and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/
General info on the project is at floksociety.org <http://floksociety.org/> ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text
I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,
The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.
By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.
Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)
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Hola! Si os interesa podemos publicar un artículo en el blog de Paisaje Transversal también. Creo que sería bueno, como dice Bernardo, hacer un texto fácilmente republicable y tener algunas imágenes de buena calidad disponibles. Ya nos diréis! Abrazal El 05/05/2014 21:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escribió:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]
wrote:
Thank you for the info, Michel
I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. I can do it in English or Spanish.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
> dear friends, > > I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first > integrated transition program to a commons-based society > > This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be > accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation > of open commons in every domain of social activity. > > The main document is here, > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph > explains the institutional background of the project) > > and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: > https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ > > General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy > proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text > > I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, > as this is the first example of its kind, > > The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the > project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while > ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative > commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been > guaranteed. > > By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would > contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. > > Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
Saludos En breve tendremos más claro como comunicar todo. Pero sí, de la comunicación abierta y el plan de transiciõn tenemos que hacer algo. Voy a comunicar algunas cosas de FLOK y Buen Conocer en otro hilo nuevo de la lista Un abrazo Bernardo 2014-05-13 5:31 GMT-03:00 Jon Aguirre <[email protected]>:
Hola!
Si os interesa podemos publicar un artículo en el blog de Paisaje Transversal también.
Creo que sería bueno, como dice Bernardo, hacer un texto fácilmente republicable y tener algunas imágenes de buena calidad disponibles.
Ya nos diréis!
Abrazal El 05/05/2014 21:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escribió:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <[email protected]
wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
dear Jorge,
at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,
your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,
Michel
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < [email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you for the info, Michel > > I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. > I can do it in English or Spanish. > > Best, > > > jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano > > > 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > : > >> dear friends, >> >> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first >> integrated transition program to a commons-based society >> >> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >> >> The main document is here, >> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >> >> and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: >> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >> >> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >> >> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >> >> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the >> project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while >> ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative >> commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been >> guaranteed. >> >> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >> >> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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Jon, la prioridad es abrir la investigación, activar la inteligencia colectiva y comunicar que ya es una de las investigaciones más abiertas de la historia. Justamente la cumbre del Buen Conocer será para un remix en tiempo real de los papers, que pasan a ser borradores (excelentes). Si queréis hacer un post de eso, genial! Divulgad la plataforma (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/) y participad. Os necesitamos (Paisaje) en varios streams, principalmente en el de comunidades , ciudades y territorios participativos (todavía no está colgado) Gracias! Bernardo 2014-05-13 11:32 GMT-03:00 Bernardo Gutiérrez <[email protected]>:
Saludos
En breve tendremos más claro como comunicar todo. Pero sí, de la comunicación abierta y el plan de transiciõn tenemos que hacer algo. Voy a comunicar algunas cosas de FLOK y Buen Conocer en otro hilo nuevo de la lista
Un abrazo Bernardo
2014-05-13 5:31 GMT-03:00 Jon Aguirre <[email protected]>:
Hola!
Si os interesa podemos publicar un artículo en el blog de Paisaje Transversal también.
Creo que sería bueno, como dice Bernardo, hacer un texto fácilmente republicable y tener algunas imágenes de buena calidad disponibles.
Ya nos diréis!
Abrazal El 05/05/2014 21:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escribió:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < [email protected]> wrote:
Dear Michel
That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think?
I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.
Best,
jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano
2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
> dear Jorge, > > at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also > appeal for volunteer translators, > > your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, > > Michel > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you for the info, Michel >> >> I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >> I can do it in English or Spanish. >> >> Best, >> >> >> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >> >> >> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >> >: >> >>> dear friends, >>> >>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first >>> integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>> >>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>> >>> The main document is here, >>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>> >>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>> participation: >>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>> >>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >>> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>> >>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>> >>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that >>> the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>> yet been guaranteed. >>> >>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>> >>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>> >>> -- >>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >>> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> >>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
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_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- www.futuramedia.net www.codigo-abierto.cc @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular)
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peudo confirmar que, si hay problemas in cada projecto, la investigacion fue totalemente libre de intervenciones politicas etc .. fuimos libre en la conception de nuestro propuestas, Michel On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Bernardo Gutiérrez < [email protected]> wrote:
Jon,
la prioridad es abrir la investigación, activar la inteligencia colectiva y comunicar que ya es una de las investigaciones más abiertas de la historia. Justamente la cumbre del Buen Conocer será para un remix en tiempo real de los papers, que pasan a ser borradores (excelentes). Si queréis hacer un post de eso, genial!
Divulgad la plataforma (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/) y participad. Os necesitamos (Paisaje) en varios streams, principalmente en el de comunidades , ciudades y territorios participativos (todavía no está colgado)
Gracias! Bernardo
2014-05-13 11:32 GMT-03:00 Bernardo Gutiérrez <[email protected]>:
Saludos
En breve tendremos más claro como comunicar todo. Pero sí, de la comunicación abierta y el plan de transiciõn tenemos que hacer algo. Voy a comunicar algunas cosas de FLOK y Buen Conocer en otro hilo nuevo de la lista
Un abrazo Bernardo
2014-05-13 5:31 GMT-03:00 Jon Aguirre <[email protected]>:
Hola!
Si os interesa podemos publicar un artículo en el blog de Paisaje Transversal también.
Creo que sería bueno, como dice Bernardo, hacer un texto fácilmente republicable y tener algunas imágenes de buena calidad disponibles.
Ya nos diréis!
Abrazal El 05/05/2014 21:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escribió:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
ok, great jorge, let me know!
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < [email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Michel > > That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the > whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer > translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do > you think? > > I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will > let you know if I have any questions or need something else. > > Best, > > jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano > > > 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > : > >> dear Jorge, >> >> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >> appeal for volunteer translators, >> >> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>> >>> I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org >>> . >>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>> >>> >>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>>> dear friends, >>>> >>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first >>>> integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>> >>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>> >>>> The main document is here, >>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>> >>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>> participation: >>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>> >>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >>>> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>> >>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>> >>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that >>>> the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>> >>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>>> >>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- www.futuramedia.net www.codigo-abierto.cc @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular)
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- www.futuramedia.net www.codigo-abierto.cc @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular)
-- www.futuramedia.net www.codigo-abierto.cc @bernardosampa (twitter) / @futura_media São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular)
_______________________________________________ Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint Lista https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es
-- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Ha sido un gran proceso, Michel! Una experiencia investigativa altamente innovadora! Esperemos que pase a la historia y que sea el primer paso en un nuevo rumbo de la historia Abs Bernardo 2014-05-13 23:07 GMT-03:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
peudo confirmar que, si hay problemas in cada projecto, la investigacion fue totalemente libre de intervenciones politicas etc ..
fuimos libre en la conception de nuestro propuestas,
Michel
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Bernardo Gutiérrez < [email protected]> wrote:
Jon,
la prioridad es abrir la investigación, activar la inteligencia colectiva y comunicar que ya es una de las investigaciones más abiertas de la historia. Justamente la cumbre del Buen Conocer será para un remix en tiempo real de los papers, que pasan a ser borradores (excelentes). Si queréis hacer un post de eso, genial!
Divulgad la plataforma (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/) y participad. Os necesitamos (Paisaje) en varios streams, principalmente en el de comunidades , ciudades y territorios participativos (todavía no está colgado)
Gracias! Bernardo
2014-05-13 11:32 GMT-03:00 Bernardo Gutiérrez <[email protected]>:
Saludos
En breve tendremos más claro como comunicar todo. Pero sí, de la comunicación abierta y el plan de transiciõn tenemos que hacer algo. Voy a comunicar algunas cosas de FLOK y Buen Conocer en otro hilo nuevo de la lista
Un abrazo Bernardo
2014-05-13 5:31 GMT-03:00 Jon Aguirre <[email protected]>:
Hola!
Si os interesa podemos publicar un artículo en el blog de Paisaje Transversal también.
Creo que sería bueno, como dice Bernardo, hacer un texto fácilmente republicable y tener algunas imágenes de buena calidad disponibles.
Ya nos diréis!
Abrazal El 05/05/2014 21:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escribió:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.
Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!
On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
> ok, great jorge, let me know! > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Michel >> >> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the >> whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >> you think? >> >> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will >> let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >> >> Best, >> >> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >> >> >> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >> >: >> >>> dear Jorge, >>> >>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >>> appeal for volunteer translators, >>> >>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>> >>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> >>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>> [email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> dear friends, >>>>> >>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first >>>>> integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>> >>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>> >>>>> The main document is here, >>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>> >>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>> participation: >>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>> >>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >>>>> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>> >>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>> >>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that >>>>> the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>> >>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>>>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>>>> >>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >>> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> >>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have > no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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I agree, this is a geopolitical pivot, made possible through the collaboration of many people, 'un pivoto geo-politico' ? <g> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Bernardo Gutiérrez < [email protected]> wrote:
Ha sido un gran proceso, Michel! Una experiencia investigativa altamente innovadora! Esperemos que pase a la historia y que sea el primer paso en un nuevo rumbo de la historia
Abs Bernardo
2014-05-13 23:07 GMT-03:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
peudo confirmar que, si hay problemas in cada projecto, la investigacion fue totalemente libre de intervenciones politicas etc ..
fuimos libre en la conception de nuestro propuestas,
Michel
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Bernardo Gutiérrez < [email protected]> wrote:
Jon,
la prioridad es abrir la investigación, activar la inteligencia colectiva y comunicar que ya es una de las investigaciones más abiertas de la historia. Justamente la cumbre del Buen Conocer será para un remix en tiempo real de los papers, que pasan a ser borradores (excelentes). Si queréis hacer un post de eso, genial!
Divulgad la plataforma (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/) y participad. Os necesitamos (Paisaje) en varios streams, principalmente en el de comunidades , ciudades y territorios participativos (todavía no está colgado)
Gracias! Bernardo
2014-05-13 11:32 GMT-03:00 Bernardo Gutiérrez <[email protected]> :
Saludos
En breve tendremos más claro como comunicar todo. Pero sí, de la comunicación abierta y el plan de transiciõn tenemos que hacer algo. Voy a comunicar algunas cosas de FLOK y Buen Conocer en otro hilo nuevo de la lista
Un abrazo Bernardo
2014-05-13 5:31 GMT-03:00 Jon Aguirre <[email protected]>:
Hola!
Si os interesa podemos publicar un artículo en el blog de Paisaje Transversal también.
Creo que sería bueno, como dice Bernardo, hacer un texto fácilmente republicable y tener algunas imágenes de buena calidad disponibles.
Ya nos diréis!
Abrazal El 05/05/2014 21:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <[email protected]> escribió:
Jorge, emilio, Michel
Let´s do it. Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.
Acá estoy para lo que haga falta Bernardo
2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <[email protected]>:
> Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've > done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo > could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short > amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the > same time and at their own pace. > > Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish > it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea! > > > On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ok, great jorge, let me know! >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Michel >>> >>> That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the >>> whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer >>> translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do >>> you think? >>> >>> I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I >>> will let you know if I have any questions or need something else. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>> >>> >>> 2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>>> dear Jorge, >>>> >>>> at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also >>>> appeal for volunteer translators, >>>> >>>> your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for the info, Michel >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to publish something about it on >>>>> www.ecosistemaurbano.org. >>>>> I can do it in English or Spanish. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens < >>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> dear friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the >>>>>> first integrated transition program to a commons-based society >>>>>> >>>>>> This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be >>>>>> accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation >>>>>> of open commons in every domain of social activity. >>>>>> >>>>>> The main document is here, >>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first >>>>>> paragraph explains the institutional background of the project) >>>>>> >>>>>> and this is a version that is open to commentary and >>>>>> participation: >>>>>> https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/ >>>>>> >>>>>> General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy >>>>>> proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text >>>>>> >>>>>> I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your >>>>>> networks, as this is the first example of its kind, >>>>>> >>>>>> The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that >>>>>> the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, >>>>>> while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around >>>>>> generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not >>>>>> yet been guaranteed. >>>>>> >>>>>> By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you >>>>>> would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>>> Lista >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>>> Lista >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I >>>> have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>>> Lista >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >>> Lista >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have >> no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint >> Lista >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint > Lista > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es > >
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