Uff. Si, es complicada la comunicación así, te entiendo perfectamente porque a veces me encuentro como un extranjero en esta lista. Por eso mismo pensé que habían hecho dos listas, una para los latinoamericanos y otra para los angloparlantes, de ahí la pregunta.
Gracias por el esfuerzo

El 13/05/2014 16:14, "Michel Bauwens" <michel@p2pfoundation.net> escribió:

y para mi espagnol es muj difficil, entonces participo minimamente en esta lista <g>

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <ramon@ramonramon.org> wrote:

Gracias por la información Michel, lamentablemente mi idioma natal es el único que entiendo :(  y con cuerts fluidez el portugués, de ahí que me pierda mucha de la valiosa información que comentáis.
Saludos

El 13/05/2014 15:22, "Michel Bauwens" <michel@p2pfoundation.net> escribió:

por informacion, mi idioma natal es holandes (y frances); ingles es mi tercera lengua, pero mi espagnol is un poco primitivo <g>

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <ramon@ramonramon.org> wrote:

Gracias Emilio, muchas gracias y disculpa el retraso de mi respuesta, te quedo muy agradecido por el ofrecimiento, solo fue que entre que el asunto no ponía nada, y que en las últimas semanas había visto muchos correos en un idioma que no es el natal mío, ni imagino que el de la mayoría, de ahí mi despiste.
Saludos y gracias,
 RAMON

PD: Me he permitido añadir un asunto al email
El 07/05/14 07:45, Emilio Velis escribió:

Ramón:

Este correo está discutiendo la traducción al español del documento principal de FLOK Society, y Michel escribió en inglés solicitando ayuda porque es su idioma natal.

Si necesitás ayuda en saber qué dice alguno de los mensajes, con gusto puedo ayudarte.

On 7 May 2014 06:23, Ramón Ramón Sánchez <ramon@ramonramon.org> wrote:

Disculpadme, igual mi pregunta es una tontería, pero hay dos listas? O ya solo existe una y en inglés? Lo digo porque me temo que últimamente solo recibo correos en lengua extranjera y yo realmente estoy muy limitado en ese idioma. Por lo que en caso de que hubiera dos, me gustaría permanecer solo en la que puedo entender.
Saludos

Enviado desde mi android, excusa mi brevedad y posibles faltas ortográficas

El 07/05/2014 07:19, "Michel Bauwens" <michel@p2pfoundation.net> escribió:

Dear Jorge,

I try to keep track of updates on the coordination effort here, see

http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update

This is what is says:

We have been informed that the translation of this document to Spanish is not guaranteed by FLOK management; and there will be no workshops on the document, and no special discussion of it during the summit.

We are therefore collecting a list of volunteer translators, and listing them here:

• Natalie Baur

• Mariangela Petrizzo

• Ana Cristina Benalcazar

• Santiago Roca

• Ana Valdés

Translation coordinator: Ana Cristina Benalcazar

Volunteer reviewers:

• Emilio Velis

• David Vila

Review coordinator: Emilio Velis

STATUS OF TRANSLATION

The english version of the document, called "Transitioning to a Commons-Based Society", is available for comment at https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/

Part of this document has been already translated: http://es.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Plan_de_investigación

Please note that the Commons Transition Plan proper is section 2 and 3 of this document. This is the priority for a full translation.

The english text has been loaded onto pads by Emilio Velis:

1. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1
2. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2
3. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3
4. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4
5. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5
6. http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Jorge Toledo <jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com> wrote:

So maybe it's better to make a call for translators first and then publish something about it, right?

I'm already spreading the word. 

jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano

2014-05-06 18:02 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>:

I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the translators.

if you can update this http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update with whatever decision, it would be great.

I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:

* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)

* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)

Michel

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <bfreitas@gmail.com> wrote:

As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.

And There is the https://webtranslateit.com/en
Where the diaspora project is being  translated..

Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...

Regards

Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <contacto@emiliovelis.com> escreveu:

Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:

http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5
http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6

This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts.

After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.

On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update

David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,

Michel

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <agustin.baeza@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…

Agustín 

El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> escribió:

Dear Emilio,

this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan

3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included

http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical_Capitalism_based_on_the_control_of_networked_platforms

if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,

Michel

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <contacto@emiliovelis.com> wrote:

Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.

I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.

On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,

for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version

and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,

Michel

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <bfreitas@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.

Regards

Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <bernardobrasil@gmail.com> escreveu:

Jorge, emilio, Michel

Let´s do it.
Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea.

Acá estoy para lo que haga falta

Bernardo

2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <contacto@emiliovelis.com>:

Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.

Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!

On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

ok, great jorge, let me know!

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com> wrote:

Dear Michel

That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think? 

I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.

Best,

jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano

2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>:

dear Jorge,

at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,

your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,

Michel

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com> wrote:

Thank you for the info, Michel

I'd love to publish something about it on www.ecosistemaurbano.org.

I can do it in English or Spanish. 

Best,

jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano

2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>:

dear friends,

I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society

This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. 

The main document is here, http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)

and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/

General info on the project is at floksociety.org ; the policy proposals are here at (https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text

I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,

The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.

By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.

Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)

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