-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 perhaps for that you'd like the notregistered swapmark of 247labs for labelling a network of physical spaces around, whether they are forever like that or for whiles.... I have experienced this (the not 24/7 space availability) as an important obstacle for not p2p networking (humm). Perhaps it (the 24/7) is a good 'main' filter enough.. although other places regularly available 8 hours a day could also be useful, are not that much useful than the others and could be deprecated when the others 24/7 are near, or we could simply like to concentrate efforts in the 24/7 regardless of other facilities because of the 247 inherent power! (At least i am inventoring them in a strange text file on my brain.... for sharing it with some closers) * On 12/27/2011 01:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
Thanks Michel
Further below, some thoughts which stem out of this french lecture.
I extend the lecture context as to delve into broad questions :
- How to increase the potential to share and create with individuals who attend the same events, when such events are too short in time to truly get to know each other
*- How to make it easier to introduce some people we meet,* *to other people we may not yet know personally *within our interconnected networks* , **based on shared interests, specific objectives or geographical proximity ?* * * *- How to do so in a way that enables a general appreciation of context , and context building processes ? [5]* * * *- If we get to know each other, how do we enable further engagement for co-creation based on respective individual social and financial contexts ?* * * *- Do we have p2p physical places to go to, converge and experiment p2p approaches, and get to know each other ?* *Permanent p2p collectives ?*
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When listening to the lecture and questions asked by people attending it, I realize there are very probably *people I could interact or collaborate with.*
Unfortunately, I was not in Paris for that specific seminar, yet indirectly, I experience that *each of us can indirectly benefit from the contacts other people in our networks make*
When I go to seminars with people sharing interests, it is *not always easy to get in touch personally* , especially when there is no time for informal get to know's, or for art of hosting type of approaches.
*Lists such as this one are useful *- yet I can hear that *for some people*( including sometimes myself ) * it represents an overflow of information.*
*Hence more specifically defined lists* or *information aggregation stemming out* of more general ones ( can ) get *created around more specific objectives*. *[1]*
At some point ( around 1hour30-31 minutes ) , a lady asks if you are connected to movements such as "Attac", and *you reply that you stay open for dialogue with a variety of backgrounds [2]** *
Within such larger framework, regarding strategies used* [3]* ,
I realize that as an individual, though well connected, I can find difficulties in finding approaches to not only interact but share and* engage* together with other individuals who apply such culture and approaches in their *daily lives*, to build up such infrastructures of *interdependence beyond the immateria*l - internet based exchanges.
Some of the people I connected to in face to face interactions are on this list. A number of us are spread across europe and/or the world.
A variety of initiatives and environments exist *[4]*
If Phyles related to some of our interconnected networks further emerge, how do you imagine them ?
Would you personally ( or other people on this list ? ) be interested in supporting "co-living - co-working" spaces ?
Would we end up living together ?
I realize living together , or at least have a physical convergence point where to contribute to based on shared memes, is important to me. Yet till now I find initiatives and people spread all over.
Hence my interest in finding low cost ( kind of venture communist ? ) approaches to make infrastructure available, as to enable contributions to local viable systems based on p2p approaches.
I d wish for p2p phyles to support such permanent p2p collective approach.
Here is a suggestion : http://sharewiki.org/en/Leipzig_project
I d like to provide people with such physical location to converge to, as to facilitate the process of getting to know each other through collaborating.
I do remember, Michel, watching a video of an annex to your home in Thailand, which you imagined could host such p2p friendly facilities. Though I am also aware it may, for individuals such as me here in Europe, be somewhat far.
Is there anyone else interested in such approach, and what are (y)our visions ?
Thanks!
*Foot Notes :*
[1] and mapped as to see how they relate or stem out of each other ?
*[2]* some who are more distributist, others more mutualist, but also people from the right , etc and that you even go and talk to the catholic church upon invitation from the pope. You then further comment that "indignados" and "occupymovements" may possibly relate more easily with the p2p approach ( and ethos ? ) , yet that with the more traditional left you may have felt more resistance, as some left wing backgrounds may remain more conservative in their mode of thought then, as you noted, some profit oriented backgrounds who stay open to new ( p2p ) ideas because of an interest in finding new approaches to make money.
*[3]* to facilitate potential through collaboration around shared intentions, and at the current stage of development
* [4]* Ecovillages and other communities already exist, and can share a number of subcultures brought up here on p2p lists.
Fablabs are emerging , and can also bring people sharing such culture together in an approach to be co-creative while increasing our autonomy through choosing our interdependencies.
For now, more Fablabs in urban centers ? And generally speaking, at the moment still mostly available to a very specific elite of technicians and progressive cultural researchers ? Yet possibly opening up , connecting to community / co-working spaces, such as in Berlin : http://opendesigncity.de/ , or initiated ( or funded ) by research backgrounds with the intention to open up to the community, such as MIT's center for Bits and Atoms http://fab.cba.mit.edu/ , such as this one http://wiki.fablab.af/index.php/Main_Page
*[5] *Holopticism ? http://www.slideshare.net/AlanRosenblith/holopticism
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:19 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
Voici le lien vers la vidéo de votre intervention à La Cantine : http://lacantine.ubicast.eu/videos/webinar-16-12-2011-141701/
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