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30 Dec
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Nader and Paul signed statements of agreement in 2008: http://www.votenader.org/weagree/ If occupies and tea parties did the same, we could mount a serious campaign against the establishment. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: > I agree with that assessment, but voting for a canditade you disagree with > is very dangerous, as Michael gurstein points out, but the most important > thing is that people actually know what Ron Paul stands for, and that story > still needs to be told. Then people can vote in conscience, > > One thing is to focus on issues that many progressive people can agree > with, like Nader's agreement, but this should not obfuscate the other parts > of the program. > > Michel > > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM, David Rose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> To critique Ron Paul on his policies and statements about race is to >> miss what the Ron Paul political movement means. Its about a popular >> desire to disenfranchise the elites who have dominated American >> political life since the Civil War. Its about removing an entire >> privileged class from their position of power. As I written before, >> his polices and beliefs maybe nuts, irrational and racist but people >> are not supporting his policies. They want to send a message to the >> elites by voting for Ron Paul. Its the ultimate negative, protest vote >> from a nation that no longer believes in liberal democracy. >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Michel Bauwens >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > this seems a balanced view of the race aspects: >> > >> > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30079.htm >> > >> > this one distinguishes between certain of his supporters and his own >> views >> > >> > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html >> > >> > more critical approaches: >> > >> > >> http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/ron-paul-anti-war-anti-veteran-opportunist-hypocrite >> > >> > http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/05/don%e2%80%99t-fall-for-ron-paul >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Devin Balkind < >> [email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> And he's racist! >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i3EADdr-5AY >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Michel Bauwens < >> [email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> via >> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/28/1049410/-Ron-Paul-Really? >> >>> >> >>> He does not believe the federal government should play any role in the >> >>> provision of health care. He does not believe that illegal aliens >> should be >> >>> provided emergency health care. >> >>> >> >>> Ron Paul doesn't believe in environmental protection . . . at all. He >> >>> would rely on the market to protect the environment. He does not >> believe >> >>> climate change is a major problem. >> >>> >> >>> Liberals are angry because President Obama is wrestling with his own >> >>> beliefs and has not come out strongly in favor of gay marriage. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> he does not believe the Federal government should interfere with the >> >>> rights of same-sex couples to marry, he does not support gay marriage >> - he >> >>> believes it should be up to individual states. >> >>> >> >>> Ron Paul would never intervene in any situation, even for humanitarian >> >>> reasons such as Darfur or the Sudan. This includes "financial >> interference". >> >>> He believes the U.S. should withdraw from the U.N. >> >>> >> >>> He also believes we should erect a 700 mile long wall between the U.S. >> >>> and Mexico. >> >>> >> >>> Ron Paul signed the Anti-Abortion Pledge. He introduced the >> "Sanctity of >> >>> Life Act which defined life as beginning at conception. He does not >> >>> recognize the right to privacy underlying Roe v. Wade >> >>> >> >>> Ron Paul would eliminate the following agencies: The Department of >> >>> Education, The Department of Energy, The Commerce Department, Health >> and >> >>> Human Services, FEMA, the Interstate Commerce Commission, and the IRS >> and >> >>> the Federal Reserve. He has signed a pledge not to raise taxes or >> create new >> >>> taxes. >> >>> >> >>> Under Ron Paul, there would not have been any stimulus, and the auto >> >>> industry would be dead in the water. >> >>> >> >>> Ron Paul does not believe the government has the right to institute an >> >>> income tax on anyone. He has indicated he would support a flat 10% >> tax, or >> >>> a national sales tax, both of which are regressive and would have a >> greater >> >>> impact on the poor and middle class. >> >>> >> >>> Ron Paul opposes any government interference with the free market, >> >>> especially any new regulations on Wall Street. >> >>> >> >>> Ron Paul: >> >>> >> >>> Does not believe in the separation of church and state. >> >>> >> >>> Thinks school prayer should be allowed (but not mandatory) >> >>> >> >>> Thinks the left "hates religion" >> >>> >> >>> Introduced a bill that would allow pilots to carry guns on planes. >> >>> >> >>> Introduce a bill making flag burning illegal. >> >>> >> >>> Does not support any gun regulations, even against assault rifles. >> >>> >> >>> Thinks the census collects information that is none of the >> government's >> >>> business >> >>> >> >>> Opposed renewal of the Voting Rights Act. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >>> >> >>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; >> >>> Discuss: >> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >>> >> >>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >> >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >> >>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >> >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Devin Balkind >> >> Director, Sarapis Foundation >> >> [email protected] >> >> @devinbalkind >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >> >> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >> >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> > >> > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; >> > Discuss: >> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> > >> > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >> > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > P2P Foundation - Mailing list >> > http://www.p2pfoundation.net >> > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> > > > > -- > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: > http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > > _______________________________________________ > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > > -- Devin Balkind Director, Sarapis Foundation [email protected] @devinbalkind