[Solar-general] [FWD: The two lists]

Jue Mar 30 03:47:28 CEST 2006

Richard me pidiÃ³ que enviara este mensaje a la lista de SoLAr, aclarando
el tema de la lista free-software-group, lo que allÃ aconteciÃ³, y cÃ³mo y
por quÃ© fue reemplazada por la lista fsg en libre.org

Disculpen el envÃo fallido de hace un rato. Lo reenvÃo en un formato mÃ¡s
simple.

        Fede

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                              From: 
Richard Stallman <rms en gnu.org>
                          Reply-To: 
rms en gnu.org
                                To: 
fheinz en vialibre.org.ar
                           Subject: 
The two lists
                              Date: 
Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:03:13 -0500
(20:03 BRT)

Please forward thus to the SoLAr list.

The fsg en libre.org mailing list, which Pablo MachÃ³n created at the FSF's
request, is the FSF's replacement for the free-software-group list,
which was created by Niibe Yutaka of the Free Software Initiative
Japan for planning our activities.  Niibe's list was unable to serve
its purpose, because certain people used it to pursue a personal
grudge against various FSF leaders, posting unjust criticism of
Federico Heinz, Georg Greve and others.

I suggested that we should moderate the list to prevent it from being
disrupted by personal grudge attacks.  Niibe's list software could not
do this, so this change required moving the list as well.  Pablo set
up the replacement list.

I take full responsibility for the decision to moderate the list, but
I do not apologize for it.  This control is the control we need in
order to get work done in the face of disruption.  It is necessary,
and we will continue it.

David Sugar wrote:

    Richard gave a completely different explanation to Stefeno when he met
    him in Turin last week.  Richard said this was done because Stefano's
    public list could have public archives.

I did not say that.  As the game "telephone" shows, when words are
repeated by one person to another, they tend to get distorted at each
step, even with the best of will.  I think that has happened here.

The practice of reposting all the mail on our list onto the Hipatia
list was of concern because it caused confusion about which list was
the official successor of Niibe's list.  But that is not why Stefano
Barale was removed from the FSF's list.

I advised Pablo to remove from the list anyone that criticizes the
list itself.  Stefano Barale had done so, so Pablo removed him.  Pablo
may remove others from the list for the same reason, if he finds it
appropriate.  I leave it to his judgment when to do this, and I have
stand behind his decisions.

People have a right to express their opinions of our work, whether
positive or negative; but when those opinions are negative, we will
generally choose not to include them in our work.

The free software community is a big place, and the FSF is just a part
of it.  Those who wish to work for free software but don't like
something about the FSF have plenty of room to carry out their own
activities.  The friction between certain members of SoLAr and Hipatia
and some FSF leaders comes from events where we tried to work
together.  If we can't work with them, we will wish their free
software activities success from a distance.
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