[P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT

Mon Nov 28 16:55:22 CET 2016

ok, thanks for the effort, and looking forward!

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:54 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
wrote:

> Yes! It will take a little, I guess it could be interesting to write it
> with people from the FEC and I will email them in order to do it :-D
>
> On 2016-11-26 05:54, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
> and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication
> also on the p2p blog ?
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
> wrote:
>
>> Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing:
>> egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in
>> fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual
>> mechanisms is on the move:
>>
>> The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but
>> they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they
>> had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related
>> with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to
>> create new urban communities two years  ago: with the city came the
>> digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new
>> commons.
>>
>> And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous
>> urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to
>> a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the
>> horizon of economical cooperation.
>>
>> We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with
>> hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy,
>> creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of
>> p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the
>> phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have
>> heard of...
>>
>> On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>> dear David,.
>> I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based intentional
>> communities based on intense and local community-based collectivism, and
>> the peer production phyles that are based on open contributions. They are
>> both legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if it's a
>> good idea to have them both at the same table from the very beginning.
>>
>> PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so
>> different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to
>> project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this
>> gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical
>> entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production.
>>
>> Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would
>> see as a eventual later step,
>>
>> furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will
>> be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So great!!
>>>
>>> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities
>>> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the
>>> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar,
>>> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between
>>> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual
>>> systems between their communities.
>>>
>>> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting?
>>>
>>> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my
>>> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime?
>>>
>>> Big hug!
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>
>>> dear David and friends,
>>>
>>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the
>>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only),
>>>
>>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based
>>> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment
>>> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for
>>> blue-collar communities,
>>>
>>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought:
>>>
>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma
>>> ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25
>>>
>>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100
>>> days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european
>>> cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create
>>> a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe,
>>>
>>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the
>>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at
>>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do?
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>
>>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub
>>>> is extractive.
>>>>
>>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is
>>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and
>>>> participative model ..
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses
>>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under
>>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events
>>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from
>>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively
>>>> low pay,
>>>>
>>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of
>>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of
>>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to
>>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity.
>>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that
>>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care
>>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit,
>>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business
>>>>>>>> eco-system
>>>>>>>> for a community and its commons
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to
>>>>>>>> separate it
>>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual
>>>>>>>> partners? What
>>>>>>>> do you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> original good intentions ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic
>>>>>>> networks would
>>>>>>> be very welcome:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that
>>>>>>>> direction ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Big hug
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great Michael!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit
>>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the
>>>>>>>>> nucleus
>>>>>>>>> going in that direction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation
>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally
>>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if
>>>>>>>>> they were
>>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc ..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus
>>>>>>>>>> as ours, can
>>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of
>>>>>>>>>> commons
>>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it,
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From
>>>>>>>>>> its very
>>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an
>>>>>>>>>> alternative to
>>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?)
>>>>>>>>>> welfare state
>>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security,
>>>>>>>>>> health,
>>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of
>>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.)
>>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to
>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while
>>>>>>>>>> constructing a
>>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't
>>>>>>>>>> like PDFs
>>>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec
>>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <
>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
>>>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch
>>>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind
>>>>>>>>>>> vom
>>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder
>>>>>>>>>>> direkt unter
>>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ
>>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße
>>>>>>>>>>>          Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian at siefkes.net
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage:   http://www.siefkes.net/   |   Blog:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/
>>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde:
>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/
>>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us:
>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/
>>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID:
>>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire?
>>>>>>>>>>>      Alles.
>>>>>>>>>>>          -- Kurt Tucholsky
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver
>>>>>>>>>>> buende
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <
>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte
>>>>>>>>>>>> <david at lasindias.coop> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption
>>>>>>>>>>>>> demands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The real
>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which
>>>>>>>>>>>> could be
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within
>>>>>>>>>>>> groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are
>>>>>>>>>>>> starting up,
>>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the path
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call
>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google
>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of  our audience and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp»,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content
>>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe
>>>>>>> ns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>
>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>
>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>
>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>
>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>
>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://commonstransition.org
>>
>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>
>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
> http://commonstransition.org
>
> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>
> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>
> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>
>
>

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Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org

P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net

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