[P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT

Michel Bauwens michel at p2pfoundation.net
Mon Nov 28 11:47:51 CET 2016 

so this rejoins a bit my own feeling,

I feel it's best to proceed right away with the already global
proto-phyles, i.e. Enspiral, Las Indias, Ethos, Sensorica (P2P Foundation
as civic equivalent), who else,

and in a second time, develop relations with the kind of intentional
communities that David is suggesting,

Michel

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <
tiberius.brastaviceanu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Few years go I reached out to Transition Town type groups for
> collaboration with SENSORICA, introducing them to the *global commons
> local economy concept*, OVN, infrastructures for collaboration, open
> source hardware for agriculture... I got a lot of push back from them,
> mainly because they were not interested in technology and things beyond
> local. They were more into resilience, which means local resources, local
> means, local relationships. I found myself barking up the wrong tree and I
> shifted my attention to other communities.
>
> Recently, some of them came back to knock on our doors again and
> manifested some interest to collaborate, but no concrete projects have been
> created between SENSORICA and these organizations yet.
>
> David, I do see some change in their mentality, but still nothing very
> concrete.
>
> Is the time ripe for getting p2p groups together with local resilience
> groups? I can't tell, but I feel that there certainly some risk involved. I
> can propose a methodology though.
>
>    - Make a list of p2p communities with a global vision.
>    - Ask them to identify resilience communities that they are already
>    interacting with, who already see it and understand the value of global
>    open networks, their infrastructure, their production, ...
>    - Contact only these resilience communities that are already sitting
>    at the table with global p2p communities to invite them at the table.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net
> > wrote:
>
>> and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication
>> also on the p2p blog ?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing:
>>> egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in
>>> fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual
>>> mechanisms is on the move:
>>>
>>> The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but
>>> they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they
>>> had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related
>>> with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to
>>> create new urban communities two years  ago: with the city came the
>>> digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new
>>> commons.
>>>
>>> And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous
>>> urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to
>>> a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the
>>> horizon of economical cooperation.
>>>
>>> We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with
>>> hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy,
>>> creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of
>>> p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the
>>> phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have
>>> heard of...
>>>
>>> On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>
>>> dear David,.
>>> I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based
>>> intentional communities based on intense and local community-based
>>> collectivism, and the peer production phyles that are based on open
>>> contributions. They are both legitimate, but they are very different
>>> beasts. I wonder if it's a good idea to have them both at the same table
>>> from the very beginning.
>>>
>>> PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so
>>> different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to
>>> project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this
>>> gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical
>>> entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production.
>>>
>>> Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would
>>> see as a eventual later step,
>>>
>>> furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will
>>> be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So great!!
>>>>
>>>> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities
>>>> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the
>>>> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar,
>>>> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between
>>>> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual
>>>> systems between their communities.
>>>>
>>>> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting?
>>>>
>>>> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my
>>>> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime?
>>>>
>>>> Big hug!
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>
>>>> dear David and friends,
>>>>
>>>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the
>>>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only),
>>>>
>>>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based
>>>> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment
>>>> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for
>>>> blue-collar communities,
>>>>
>>>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought:
>>>>
>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma
>>>> ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25
>>>>
>>>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100
>>>> days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european
>>>> cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create
>>>> a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe,
>>>>
>>>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the
>>>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at
>>>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact
>>>>> Hub is extractive.
>>>>>
>>>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is
>>>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and
>>>>> participative model ..
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses
>>>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under
>>>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events
>>>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from
>>>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively
>>>>> low pay,
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of
>>>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of
>>>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to
>>>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity.
>>>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that
>>>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care
>>>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit,
>>>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business
>>>>>>>>> eco-system
>>>>>>>>> for a community and its commons
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to
>>>>>>>>> separate it
>>>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including
>>>>>>>>> something about
>>>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual
>>>>>>>>> partners? What
>>>>>>>>> do you think?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it
>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> original good intentions ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic
>>>>>>>> networks would
>>>>>>>> be very welcome:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that
>>>>>>>>> direction ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Big hug
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great Michael!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit
>>>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all
>>>>>>>>>> the nucleus
>>>>>>>>>> going in that direction.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation
>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic,
>>>>>>>>>> equally
>>>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if
>>>>>>>>>> they were
>>>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus
>>>>>>>>>>> as ours, can
>>>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of
>>>>>>>>>>> commons
>>>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it,
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>> From its very
>>>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an
>>>>>>>>>>> alternative to
>>>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?)
>>>>>>>>>>> welfare state
>>>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security,
>>>>>>>>>>> health,
>>>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of
>>>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.)
>>>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to
>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while
>>>>>>>>>>> constructing a
>>>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't
>>>>>>>>>>> like PDFs
>>>>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec
>>>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <
>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
>>>>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind
>>>>>>>>>>>> vom
>>>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder
>>>>>>>>>>>> direkt unter
>>>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund
>>>>>>>>>>>> .pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ
>>>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> christian at siefkes.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage:   http://www.siefkes.net/   |   Blog:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/
>>>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde:
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/
>>>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us:
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/
>>>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire?
>>>>>>>>>>>>      Alles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          -- Kurt Tucholsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver
>>>>>>>>>>>> buende
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <
>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david at lasindias.coop> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> networks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within
>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting up,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mutualism as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the path
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-ser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5755 to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of  our audience and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp»,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content
>>>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp
>>>>>>>>>> lete-list/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>
>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>
>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>
>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>
>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>
>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>
>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>
>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://commonstransition.org
>>
>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates:
>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>
>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an *open
> <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>**value network
> <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>*
> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy
> Part of Blocksense <http://blocksense.io/index.html>: blockchain and
> other p2p technologies
> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>:
> informing the new multitude
>
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>



-- 
Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org


P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net

<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates:
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