<div dir="ltr">so this rejoins a bit my own feeling,<div><br></div><div>I feel it's best to proceed right away with the already global proto-phyles, i.e. Enspiral, Las Indias, Ethos, Sensorica (P2P Foundation as civic equivalent), who else,</div><div><br></div><div>and in a second time, develop relations with the kind of intentional communities that David is suggesting,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tiberius.brastaviceanu@gmail.com" target="_blank">tiberius.brastaviceanu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all, <br><div><br></div><div>Few years go I reached out to Transition Town type groups for collaboration with SENSORICA, introducing them to the <i>global commons local economy concept</i>, OVN, infrastructures for collaboration, open source hardware for agriculture... I got a lot of push back from them, mainly because they were not interested in technology and things beyond local. They were more into resilience, which means local resources, local means, local relationships. I found myself barking up the wrong tree and I shifted my attention to other communities. </div><div><br></div><div>Recently, some of them came back to knock on our doors again and manifested some interest to collaborate, but no concrete projects have been created between SENSORICA and these organizations yet. </div><div><br></div><div>David, I do see some change in their mentality, but still nothing very concrete. </div><div><br></div><div>Is the time ripe for getting p2p groups together with local resilience groups? I can't tell, but I feel that there certainly some risk involved. I can propose a methodology though. </div><div><ul><li>Make a list of p2p communities with a global vision. <br></li><li>Ask them to identify resilience communities that they are already interacting with, who already see it and understand the value of global open networks, their infrastructure, their production, ... </li><li>Contact only these resilience communities that are already sitting at the table with global p2p communities to invite them at the table. </li></ul><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication also on the p2p blog ?</div><div class="m_-450715121262102789HOEnZb"><div class="m_-450715121262102789h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is
changing: egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural
only any more, in fact transnationalization and digitalization
with some global mutual mechanisms is on the move:</p>
<p>The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by
firsttime, but they were rural productive communities mainly and
the few urban groups they had were income sharing but not work
sharing and because of it not related with productive p2p
technologies. But... this changed when they started to create new
urban communities two years ago: with the city came the
digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic
towards new commons.</p>
<p>And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and
simultaneous urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave
place this last Summer to a movement towards the FEC in order to
have more intense relations with the horizon of economical
cooperation. <br>
</p>
<p>We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network
with hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing
everything» economy, creating a common mutual system and
increasingly arriving to the world of p2p production and digital
commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the phyle as a
possible reality in the short term than any other example I have
heard of...<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">dear David,.
<div>I would see a rather big difference between the
locally-based intentional communities based on intense and
local community-based collectivism, and the peer production
phyles that are based on open contributions. They are both
legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if
it's a good idea to have them both at the same table from the
very beginning.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and
goals are so different. They predate the network age, and
often have no intention to project systemic power at the
global level, which is my aim in this gathering of
proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical
entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer
production.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any encounter between them and localized intentional
communities I would see as a eventual later step,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to
june 15 will be severely constrained by the ambitious project
in Ghent,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Michel</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Michel</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David
de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>So great!!</p>
<p>I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the
egalitarian communities already in motion (the FEC in
USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the Alps) and some
interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar,
Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting
approaches between all of them and some of them, as The
FEC, already have internal mutual systems between their
communities.</p>
<p>Do some of you want to lead such a meeting?</p>
<p>If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no,
I could ask my fellow indianos and look for a date
during... ¿springtime?<br>
</p>
<p>Big hug!</p>
<span class="m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p>David<br>
</p>
</font></span>
<div>
<div class="m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698h5"> <br>
<div class="m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880moz-cite-prefix">On
2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">dear David and friends,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will be working next spring on a commons
transition project for the city of Ghent, (under
embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>one of my first priorities there, will be the
development of city-based programs to relocate
production and to create incomes, work and
employment not just for the precarious knowledge
workers but especially for blue-collar
communities,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>see here an article more or less expressing
the same thought:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/answering-attraction-trump-ma<wbr>ssive-investment-relocalized-c<wbr>ommunity-production/2016/11/25</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Eventually, after my relocation in brussels
in the fall, to work 100 days a year for the
fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european
cooperative structure with 75k members and
growing), I also want to create a Commons
Transition based think thank in the heart of
Europe,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am still hoping that the groups and
individuals addressed in the earlier request,
would be willing to organize some inter-phyles
congress at some point, and I'd be very happy to
help with that,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Michel</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at
1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>And coming back to our subject... what do
you propose to do?<br>
</p>
<div>
<div class="m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880h5"> <br>
<div class="m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382moz-cite-prefix">On
2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">but actually, many
former members say exactly that,
that the Impact Hub is extractive.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The general complaint is that
the venture-based ownership model
is generating too much pressure on
what should be a collaborative and
participative model ..</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Personally, I have witnessed
the forced smiles of many of
hostesses (often the hubs are led
by female members and employees),
who are under great pressure to
'perform' their participative
duties (number of events
organized, number of new clients
recruited, etc ..); and heard from
outsiders, that an enormous amount
of skills are required for
relatively low pay,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I haven't verified any of this,
but this is based on testimonies,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Michel</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct
23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de
Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I did
not mean they were extractive,
they are just a network of
coworking spaces, what I pointed
is the difference of this kind
of transnational network and
phyles: having a common identity
alternative to that of
nationalism and taking care of
there members in case of
necessity. Impacthub does not
provide other identity different
to the one that provides you to
be client of a nice
transnational landlord nor takes
care of you more than any firm
takes care of a client.
<div class="m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382HOEnZb">
<div class="m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob
Haugen wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'm not familiar with
ImpactHub (just looked at
their website a bit,<br>
though). In what way are
they extractive?<br>
<br>
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at
2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens<br>
<<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at
10:13 PM, David de
Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
but essentiallly for
me a phyle is a
trans-national
business eco-system<br>
for a community and
its commons<br>
<br>
<br>
I agree, but could
have sense to be more
specific in order to
separate it<br>
from pure
transnational
ecosystems as
ImpactHub including
something about<br>
identity or
responsability on the
welfare of the
individual partners?
What<br>
do you think?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Yes, I agree that is a
part of the definition,
to distinguish it from
the<br>
extractive models, which
I think the ImpactHub
actually is, despite its<br>
original good intentions
..<br>
<br>
by the way, all
assistance in mapping
the new global nomadic
networks would<br>
be very welcome:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructu<wbr>res</a><br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
for me las indias,
enspiral, sensorica,
ethos VO go in that
direction ...<br>
<br>
<br>
Great!<br>
<br>
Big hug<br>
David<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016
at 7:11 PM, David de
Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Great Michael!<br>
<br>
So... it could be
interesting to have
a common, and a
little bit<br>
detailed, definition
of phyle
understanding
proto-phyle as all
the nucleus<br>
going in that
direction.<br>
<br>
Would you make the
honours? :-D<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-10-18 14:03,
Michel Bauwens
wrote:<br>
<br>
personally, I am
talking about some
coordination and
cooperation between<br>
proto-phyles ...<br>
<br>
coordinating
commons-based
production is a
different topic,
equally<br>
interesting but this
was not the topic of
the original invite,<br>
<br>
of course, phyles
could <also>
coordinate their
production, if they
were<br>
more fully developed
etc ..<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<br>
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016
at 6:58 PM, David de
Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Ah! OK, this is
about coordinating
commons based
projects, not
about<br>
phyle making. So,
the question
should be then how
phyle nucleus as
ours, can<br>
contribute to
these movement
towards
territorial
coordination of
commons<br>
based projects, Am
I right?<br>
<br>
We agree with that
idea/project and
we will give our
best to it, no<br>
doubt. But, please
lets use the word
phyle with its
meaning. From its
very<br>
origins the phyle
idea had a very
concrete goal: to
create an
alternative to<br>
national identity
able to complement
the fading
(¿collapsing?)
welfare state<br>
and take
responsibility for
its own members
(social security,
health,<br>
guarantee of job
and trade inside,
safety and freedom
of movements,
etc.)<br>
what made
mandatory to the
few phyle nucleus
existing then, to
have a<br>
presence and a
real autonomy in
the open market
while constructing
a<br>
money-free economy
in its interior.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-10-18
12:58, David de
Ugarte wrote:<br>
<br>
Great thanks to
you both!!!<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-10-18
12:57, Stacco
Troncoso wrote:<br>
<br>
Here's the Commons
Association text
in our blog, if
you don't like
PDFs<br>
;)<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/unifying-commons-based-projec<wbr>ts-in-a-self-organised-solidar<wbr>ity-economy/2016/09/09</a><br>
<br>
On Tue, Oct 18,
2016 at 12:53 PM,
Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
You all might
find the pdfs
below to be
relevant:<br>
<br>
<br>
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Date: 2016-10-18
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jetzt auch in<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.commons<wbr>-institut.org</a><br>
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<br>
Hallo Hannes und
alle,<br>
<br>
On 08/10/16
15:41, Christian
Siefkes via
Commonsverbuende
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
OK, ich werde
PDFs erzeugen
und hochladen
und dann hier
nochmal<br>
Bescheid
sagen.<br>
</blockquote>
ich habe die
PDfs jetzt
erstellt und bei
Keimform
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sind<br>
vom<br>
deutsch- bzw.
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On Tue, Oct 18,
2016 at 5:19 AM,
Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Responses
inline.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Oct
18, 2016 at
5:06 AM, David
de Ugarte<br>
<<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear Bob,<br>
<br>
it is a really
interesting
theoretical
approach
but... I guess
we<br>
are still<br>
far from the
point when we
could attend
basic
consumption
demands.<br>
The real<br>
existing
fabric of p2p
production is
unproportionally based in<br>
services (as<br>
it is natural
because p2p
production was
born in the
digital<br>
economy).<br>
</blockquote>
I am aware
it's mostly
services now,
except for
food, which
could be<br>
a<br>
place to start
on material
goods, at
least in
regional
networks.<br>
<br>
Software,
however, is
the heart of
p2p production
now, and that
is<br>
not<br>
coordinated
very well
between groups
or often not
even within
groups.<br>
The Mutual Aid
Networks, for
example, use
several apps
that do not<br>
talk to each
other. And
several Mutual
Aid Networks
are starting
up,<br>
that will
multiply the
same problem.
Same for Fair
Coop.<br>
<br>
Designs for
material goods
is another
possibility.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Increasing
diversity of
production is
today a trend
and a goal,
but<br>
I guess<br>
diversity is
not still big
enough even
for supporting
a viable<br>
productive<br>
coin.<br>
<br>
Because of it,
from the very
beggining we
envisioned
mutualism as<br>
the path<br>
of making
phyles grow
inside a wider
vision we call
post-laborism.<br>
Please<br>
have a look to
this post (you
will probably
have to use
google<br>
translate)<br>
<br>
<a href="https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasindias.com/post-lab<wbr>orismo</a><br>
</blockquote>
Thanks, will
study.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 2016-10-16
11:56, Bob
Haugen wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sorry,
cutnpaste
error. Should
have been
section
entitled "How
we<br>
can<br>
implement a
Mutual
Coordination
Economy based
on existing<br>
organizations".<br>
<br>
On Sun, Oct
16, 2016 at
3:04 AM, Bob
Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
then see from
there if it
makes sense to
have some
extra layer of<br>
alignment
between
'proto-phyles'<br>
</blockquote>
Could this be
it?<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10</a><br>
<br>
See the
section
entitled<br>
<br>
<br>
"<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne<wbr>t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi<wbr>talist-supply-chains-could-ser<wbr>ve-a-mutual-coordination-econo<wbr>my/2016/02/10</a>"<br>
and my comment
below:<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200</a><br>
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<br>
On Sat, Oct
15, 2016 at
9:22 PM,
Michel Bauwens<br>
<<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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dear David,<br>
<br>
I have great
difficulties
lately to
monitor my
emails, 5755
to go<br>
<g>,<br>
and<br>
so I missed
this important
response, and
the ones
following
which<br>
I will<br>
process in a
moment.<br>
<br>
The first
thing for me,
is perhaps
that we can
organize a
common<br>
skype<br>
with<br>
joshua vial /
Alanna Krause
for Enspiral,
Robert Pye for
Ethos,<br>
you and<br>
Natalia for
lasindias,
tibi from
Sensorica,
perhaps others
? And<br>
then<br>
see<br>
from there if
it makes sense
to have some
extra layer of<br>
alignment<br>
between<br>
'proto-phyles'<br>
<br>
I copy
Ann-Marie for
the p2p
foundation,
for assistance
in<br>
coordinating<br>
any<br>
such meetup if
there is
agreement on
doing it.<br>
<br>
Since the
previous email
in this thread
is an email
from our<br>
recently<br>
deceased P2P
colleague Jean
Lievens, I am
sharing a
special<br>
thought in<br>
his<br>
remembrance,<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<br>
On Mon, May
23, 2016 at
6:12 PM, David
de Ugarte<br>
<<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
We completely
agree!!<br>
<br>
It is a nodal
moment because
this
convergence, I
guess,
reflects<br>
a<br>
deepening
concern in
wide social
sectors. In
our case, we
are<br>
experiencing<br>
since
October's
Somero a
widening of
our audience
and a closer<br>
relation<br>
with other
communities.
Last week, in
example, we
had by first<br>
time in<br>
many<br>
years, more
than 10.000
unique
visitors in
our blog in
only a<br>
day, and<br>
the<br>
Communard
Manifesto is
spreading a
lot faster
than we
thought:<br>
there<br>
are in<br>
example
volunteers -we
did not know
before-
translating it
in<br>
Switzerland<br>
and Portugal
to German and
Portuguese
languages.<br>
<br>
So, we are
sensing not
only the
appearance of
a «P2P
theoritical<br>
camp»,<br>
but the
emergence of a
«P2P audience»
probably
product of the<br>
disenchanted<br>
with the
political
hopes
hegemonic only
a year ago
between the<br>
majority<br>
of<br>
the activists
in countries
like Spain or
Greece.<br>
<br>
So, Michel,
what comes
now? How could
we contribute?<br>
<br>
On 2016-05-21
22:06, Michel
Bauwens wrote:<br>
<br>
AN IMPORTANT
PIVOT MOMENT
TOWARDS A THE
EMERGENCE OF A<br>
COLLECTIVE<br>
ORGANIC<br>
INTELLECTUAL
FOR THE
COMMONS
MOVEMENT<br>
<br>
The above has
always been
the ambition
of the P2P
Foundation,<br>
and I<br>
believe this
is now
coalescing ..
some signs<br>
<br>
1) Las Indias
has
consolidated
all its
original
insights in
the<br>
just<br>
published
Communard
Manifesto
(Steve
Herrick: you
can perhaps<br>
let them<br>
know<br>
about this
posting here
as they are
not on fb)<br>
<br>
2) the last
video by
Dmytri
Kleiner, which
I posted here,
also<br>
shows a<br>
convergence
towards this
multi-modal
approach
(working for
the<br>
strengthening<br>
of the new
economy within
the existing
one) and has a
very<br>
precise<br>
strategy<br>
and many
innovative
concepts<br>
<br>
3) the
critique by
Alanna Krause
on the
blockchain
which I<br>
posited,<br>
along<br>
with the
'transvestment'
practices,
show that both
the practice,<br>
and<br>
the<br>
theory, and
the
subjectivity
of Enspiral is
moving in the
same<br>
direction<br>
<br>
4) as for
myself, I am
working on a
more
theoretical
book in<br>
which I'm<br>
aligning all
our pasts
insights
following the
overview of
Kojin<br>
Karatini ..<br>
<br>
I may be
forgetting
some other
elements, but
here we are,
there<br>
is<br>
effectively, a
collective
organic
intellectual
at work, which
is<br>
thinking<br>
through the
strategies to
be followed by
the forces of
the<br>
commons, in<br>
a way<br>
that may have
been there in
seed form, but
is about to
flower<br>
and ..<br>
THIS IS<br>
HUGELY
IMPORTANT<br>
<br>
I am not
implying here
of course that
there are no
differences<br>
between<br>
the<br>
approaches of
these groups,
but that they
are moving
broadly in<br>
the<br>
same<br>
direction .<br>
<br>
<br>
At present,
there are not
any formal
bridges
between these<br>
groups, but<br>
there are
occasional
informal
contacts, and
the memes do
seem to<br>
travel<br>
..<br>
<br>
<br>
With Dmytri
Kleiner, we
are discussing
a
'Transvestment'<br>
conference in<br>
Berlin at the
end of this
year, no
funding yet,
this could be
an<br>
occasion<br>
for these
groups to
enter into
more coherent
dialogue,<br>
<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<br>
<br>
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