[P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT

Fri Nov 25 11:55:07 CET 2016

thanks Robert,

by the way, not sure I extended the invitation to our manuscript on how to
envision a strategy for commons transition ?

let me know if you're interested, it's a google doc,

Michel

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Robert Pye <robert.pye at ethosvo.org> wrote:

> How exciting.  Looking forward to helping in any way I can ;-)
>
> Well done to you.
>
> On 25 November 2016 at 09:51, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
>> dear David and friends,
>>
>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the
>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only),
>>
>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based
>> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment
>> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for
>> blue-collar communities,
>>
>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought:
>>
>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-
>> massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25
>>
>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days
>> a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative
>> structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons
>> Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe,
>>
>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the
>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at
>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do?
>>>
>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>
>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub
>>> is extractive.
>>>
>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is
>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and
>>> participative model ..
>>>
>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses
>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under
>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events
>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from
>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively
>>> low pay,
>>>
>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of
>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of
>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to
>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity.
>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that
>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care
>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit,
>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business
>>>>>>> eco-system
>>>>>>> for a community and its commons
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to
>>>>>>> separate it
>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual
>>>>>>> partners? What
>>>>>>> do you think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> original good intentions ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be very welcome:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that
>>>>>>> direction ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Big hug
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great Michael!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit
>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the
>>>>>>>> nucleus
>>>>>>>> going in that direction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation
>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally
>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>>>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as
>>>>>>>>> ours, can
>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of
>>>>>>>>> commons
>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no
>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From
>>>>>>>>> its very
>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an
>>>>>>>>> alternative to
>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?)
>>>>>>>>> welfare state
>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security,
>>>>>>>>> health,
>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of
>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.)
>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to
>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like
>>>>>>>>> PDFs
>>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec
>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
>>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in
>>>>>>>>>> Englisch
>>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal
>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen.
>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind
>>>>>>>>>> vom
>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt
>>>>>>>>>> unter
>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch:
>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf
>>>>>>>>>> Englisch:
>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ
>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße
>>>>>>>>>>          Christian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian at siefkes.net
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage:   http://www.siefkes.net/   |   Blog:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/
>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde:
>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/
>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us:
>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/
>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID:
>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire?
>>>>>>>>>>      Alles.
>>>>>>>>>>          -- Kurt Tucholsky
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver
>>>>>>>>>> buende
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte
>>>>>>>>>>> <david at lasindias.coop> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> are still
>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption
>>>>>>>>>>>> demands.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The real
>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in
>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital
>>>>>>>>>>>> economy).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which
>>>>>>>>>>> could be
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within
>>>>>>>>>>> groups.
>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting
>>>>>>>>>>> up,
>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable
>>>>>>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>>>>>> coin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> the path
>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call
>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google
>>>>>>>>>>>> translate)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david at lasindias.coop>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of  our audience and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp»,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content
>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe
>>>>>>> ns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe
>>>>>> ns
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>
>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>
>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://commonstransition.org
>>
>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
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>>
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