[P2P-F] questions re funding of p2p value conference

Sun Jul 3 14:28:10 CEST 2016

Well James, seems like complaining is needed. You take it as 'a lot', but where there is no prefigurative act; it is never enough When those always talking about the importance of commons, p2p, opennes... and as they emerge as star goals turns into means- a feeling emerges and it becomes visible that actually none cares the content commons, Peer to Peer, free and open... they are not seen as important as it is said at all.. By stellars themselves... it feels like you, as well as your employers, all see these as means to end as well. 

Think about the EU funding; do you recall how many million Euro was that? And the setting up this  conference -'Think like a Commoner' and tell us do you see any one can prefigure a partner state like practice; No opennes, no participatory - open budgeting, bo cooperatives.. there is only inter-stellar politics agenda setting, controlled access and all nice words about what is needed to be done. 

Thanks for the effort to clarify and try to show some respect for The sake of transparemcy; but in that sense I and others don't know anything yet.   All this inter-stellar conferences, too bright light our new Stars shine blinds most of us; of funding, of power.. I dont know James, if you care at all; or understand politics; but this way would only bring more funding and power to some and this line of high level politics is destined to end up with more enclosure of the commons, at best, by a new class of people.. 

Good luck

> On 03 Jul 2016, at 09:55, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Orsan,
> 
> We are very underfunded for the event because the budget has already been used for research. We were already lucky to have the city of Amsterdam provide a space for the event. This is why we are charging for some tickets. Also the price for the tickets is very low compared to most conferences with a similar stellar lineup of speakers. You are right to ask and now you know. Apologies for any sarcarsm. Not intended. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> James
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:23 AM, Orsan <orsan1234 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone know who is you James? you write it like you know all on the list, and you know me. 
>> 
>> Your sarcastic tone is really annoying, and you don't know me, you don't like me at all. Neither I know you and like you. 
>> 
>> The truth is your paid job is to sets up and event, funded by EU, where Global Commons agenda is supposed to be set up, you guys, as once Restakis accidentally declared to public,  on the driving wheel... Plus charging participants... Sorry but it will not be like that. 
>> 
>> There will be annoyed ones critically targeting what is being boiled.. 
>> 
>> WSF is another story, I will complain about that later, which is not your paid job area. 
>> 
>> Things boil down to agenda setting, and power struggle. We will luckily discuss all publicly this time. God bliss commons, p2p and the Internet. 
>> 
>> Good luck. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 jul. 2016, at 01:33, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks james!
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:59 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A public response will follow. We know him personally and like him, although he likes to complain a lot.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> J
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>> Dear James et al,
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks for responding to this question and critique by Orsan Senalp:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:16:36 +0200
>>>>> From: Orsan Senalp <orsan1234 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [P2P-F] Eu funded Global Commons Conference, 2-3 September,
>>>>>         Amsterdam
>>>>> To: "<networkedlabour at lists.contrast.org>"
>>>>>         <networkedlabour at lists.contrast.org>,   P2P Foundation mailing list
>>>>>         <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>,  Commoning
>>>>>         <commoning at lists.commons-institut.org>
>>>>> Message-ID: <EEA10DC4-F19B-45E8-B22C-3EEC5753BEC8 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am based very Amsterdam but heard about this event from Facebook. It was not clear from the website if registration fee will be charged. In case there is a fee for participation, although I am very close it seems as many other commoners it would not possible for me to join this event; let alone the ethic problem of charging people for already funded event by EU, with public money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> .....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peer Value:Advancing the Commons Collaborative Economy is a conference integrating conversations and plans of action for shaping and connecting the Commons on a global level.
>>>>> The conference is organized along three tracks:
>>>>> Track 1: P2P: Inclusive Politics, Activism and Law for the Commons
>>>>> Track 2: Decentralized Tech and Beyond:Global Design,Local Production
>>>>> Track 3: From Platform to Open Cooperativism
>>>>> We will explore questions such as:
>>>>> What are the conditions that encourage communities to work as peers, creating commons?
>>>>> What are the best practices communities can adopt to safeguard their resilience?
>>>>> Decentralization - why is it important, and how is it implemented and maintained?
>>>>> How can the working methodologies honed by well-established digital communities act as transitional guidelines for sustainable ?material? manufacturing?
>>>>> What about social innovation and livelihoods - how does contributory and open accounting work with the systems of value creation found in CBPP?
>>>>> How can civil society participate in recommending policy proposals that support CBPP for governments at the local, regional, national - even global - levels?
>>>>> Join your peers, add your voice and take part in the growing conversation about the Commons as an important, emerging collaborative social model.
>>>>> Register now >
>>>>> 
>>>>> This event is funded by a European Union FP7 research grant.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Web: Peervalueconf.eu
>>>>> 
>>>>> ....
>>>>> In solidarity,
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?rsan
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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