[P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] a list of supporters of the UBI

Fri Aug 12 05:03:55 CEST 2016

you are claiming that UBI is a neoliberal plot,

I am claiming that UBI has a long and varied history that includes
neoliberal positions

my claim can be proved simply by showing the diversity of UBI forces and
propositions

your claim can only be proven by ignoring the richness of UBI forces

so this is very significant, since it undermines your claim

so your claim is not proven, and in fact, can't be proven

if you would abandon this extreme claim, which would require extraordinary
evidence you don't have, then we could have a more mature decision of what
positions and aspects of UBI are dangerous for emancipantory politics, but
your extreme positioning derails such debate,

here, you want to stop the debate altogether and eliminate evidence,

it is fine for me, don't consider yourself personally address by any
evidence contrary to your point of view, and all is fine as far as I'm
concerned,

Michel

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Dmytri Kleiner <dk at trick.ca> wrote:

>
> Please stop derailing the discussion with this ridiculous strawman. The
> argument is that there is a plot by neoliberals to use UBI to promote
> privatization and cuts, this is demonstrably true. The existence of other
> people that also support UBI but are neither neoliberals nor part of the
> plat does not change this.
>
> What you are doing is disputing that all grass is green, by saying that
> some frogs are green, so therefor the assertion that all grass is green is
> false.
>
> Stop it!
>
> There is no dispute that UBI is a neoliberal plot, and that this needs to
> be contended with. What is being discussed is wether or not other reasons
> to support UBI have merit, please help us discuss this topic.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> On , Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
>> can you spot the neoliberal ?
>>
>> Thomas Paine, Martin Luther King, André Gorz, Varoufakis, Toni Negri,
>> Standing, Chomsky, Reich, Klein, Franco 'Bifo' Berrardi, Van Parijs,
>> Graeber. Black Lives Matter
>>
>> --
>>
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>> http://commonstransition.org
>>
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>
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