[P2P-F] Fwd: [tapas] Varoufakis @ Guardian

Tue Jul 21 15:41:59 CEST 2015

A few years ago, one could already get the feeling of a will to further
concentrate power in the hands of a centralized set of European
Institutions , bypassing any ( even indirect ) democratic processes , for
example by enabling some institutions such as the European Commission to
finance itself directly ( without the need to depend on the member
countries ) via a tax on financial transactions.

Today it feels even more obvious that such will is manifesting itself ,
using the Greek situation to justify the creation of such centralization of
power.

Furthermore, interesting to realize that our last comments seem to be spot
on.

Excerpted from Varoufakis :

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/21/europes-vindictive-privatization-plan-for-greece-project-syndicate/

*" ATHENS – On July 12, the summit of eurozone leaders dictated its terms
of surrender to Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras, who, terrified by the
alternatives, accepted all of them. One of those terms concerned the
disposition of Greece’s remaining public assets.*

*Eurozone leaders demanded that Greek public assets be transferred to a
Treuhand-like fund – a fire-sale vehicle similar to the one used after the
fall of the Berlin Wall to privatize quickly, at great financial loss, and
with devastating effects on employment all of the vanishing East German
state’s public property. "*

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:

> yes.   first make the greeks pay for risks taken by german and french (
> and other western ) banks by lending them money, not to circulate in the
> greek economy, but directly to pay off the banks
>
> ( 1 note that the cypriot approahc taken by the EU was also interesting :
> Siphoning bank accounts, especially those of russians having accounts
> there, to pay for such kind of debt )
>
> ( 2 with at some point 17,5 percent compound  interest on grek debt,
> equivalent to a doubling of the debt every three and a half / 3,5 years )
>
> then use this money , after it has been almost paid off, and after that a
> grexit crisis has been created, and that the new curency is devaluated, and
> the greek economy further in chambles,
>
> to then buy and privatise for pennies the rest of the greek economy,
> enabling a transfer of property,
>
> and further reducing any sovereignty
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Fabio Barone <holon.earth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> And that's what it seems to be to me: a shopping tour!
>>
>> The creditors just got scared when suddenly the game which the IMF always
>> plays - give money and ask for reforms which includes privatizing
>> practically everything - looked as if it wouldn't work this time, as the
>> Greek sovereign decided they wouldn't play this time.
>>
>> But with these later developments seems like it will all play out for
>> them anyway.
>>
>> 2015-07-11 5:28 GMT-05:00 Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Yes.   I suggest looking into the dynamics after the fall of the wall,
>>> and how western germany, and its corporations, pushed viable eastern
>>> german companies to bankruptcy, and bought over what they could for a
>>> fraction of their worth.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
>>>> Date: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 11:12 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [tapas] Varoufakis @ Guardian
>>>> To: "tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2 things are revealing in this testament,
>>>>
>>>> one, the realistic assessment that it was never about repayment, but
>>>> about disciplining
>>>>
>>>> but second , and this is worse, Varoufakis mentions iraq, of all
>>>> places, as an example of a return to monetary sovereignty .. and not
>>>> argentina, iceland or the dozen positive historical examples mentioned by
>>>> ellen brown in her book, nor the current statistics showing european
>>>> countries outside the eurozone do generally better than those within it ..
>>>>
>>>> for me what this reveals is a left version of TINA, and explains why
>>>> Tsipras wants to give in so badly to the Troika blackmail, they do not see
>>>> a alternative themselves and that is a terrible realisation ...
>>>>
>>>> The proposed accord is an absolutely terrible program for permanent
>>>> enfeeblement of Greece, and as George P. suggested, for the planned
>>>> destruction of the SME economy ..
>>>>
>>>> It brings home the possibility described in Kees van der Pijl's new
>>>> book: The end of political compromise under capitalism ..
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:01 AM, John <restakis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> indeed...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15-07-10 1:37 PM, George Papanikolaou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/germany-greek-pain-debt-relief-grexit
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>
>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>
>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates:
>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>
>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>
>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>
>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates:
>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>
>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list
>>>>
>>>> Blog - http://www.blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>> Wiki - http://www.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>
>>>> Show some love and help us maintain and update our knowledge commons by
>>>> making a donation. Thank you for your support.
>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/donation
>>>>
>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list
>>>
>>> Blog - http://www.blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>> Wiki - http://www.p2pfoundation.net
>>>
>>> Show some love and help us maintain and update our knowledge commons by
>>> making a donation. Thank you for your support.
>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/donation
>>>
>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
>>>
>>>
>>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: https://lists.ourproject.org/pipermail/p2p-foundation/attachments/20150721/2c06a9cc/attachment-0001.htm 