[P2P-F] [tapas] [NetworkedLabour] [commoning] support appreciated for Plan C, a commons transition plan for greek civil movements

Thu Jul 16 08:02:23 CEST 2015

Stacco has the links from the commonstransition.org site,

here's what we have on CLT's on the p2p wiki:
http://p2pfoundation.net/Community_Land_Trusts

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Pat Conaty <
pat.commonfutures at phonecoop.coop> wrote:

> HI Apostolis and Miche
>
> Good points below. I have been providing some info on JAK interest free
> banks on another smaller list than this today. Michel you may wish to
> transcribe these points onto the plan.
>
> The JP Narayan work in India I mentioned was a huge non-violent civil
> disobedience movement against Indira Gandhi in the 1960s and 1970s. The
> Community Land Trust movements in the USA, UK and Canada and now also
> Belgium originally at source sprung out of the US civil rights movement in
> the South from 1968. Once again back to King’s last book on Where do we go
> from here? During 1967 when this book was written, I was young and 250 dead
> American were being brought back in body bags each week from Vietnam and
> most working class kids black, brown and white.
>
> Bob Swann a war resister was a key leader then of alternative economic
> practices and had direct contact with the Gandhian land reformers in India
> in the 1970s  who were their inspiration and they also were working with
> Ralph Borsodi who was in India helping Narayan and the focus in India and
> thereafter in the USA was on the development of co-operative revolving loan
> funds and on the Constant currency.
>
> Borsodi is an amazing character who was working on CLTs in the 1930s
> during the Great Depression. The Decentralist Manifesto he and others put
> together in the 1950s is worth looking at. Also Fritz Schumacher was a
> close friend of Bob Swann and the Institute for Community Economics in the
> USA set up by Swann and Borsodi. ICE was hugely important in innovating
> co-operative land and co-operative finance solutions.
>
> But few mainstream socialists know anything at all about this really
> practical non-violent groups of peace makers who are all are part of a
> decentralising socialist tradition. Indeed all commoners!
>
> I have just put up a series of articles on the CLTs and how to establish
> them practically. Stacco or Michel can share the link. But these short
> articles could be useful to those in Greece if you want to translate the
> material.
>
> Remember the land question and the money questions are both taboo. But we
> simply have to provide practical step by step pathways and answers to find
> peaceful economic democracy solutions for commoners. The partner state will
> be crucial. Hence why I emphasise the guild socialist tradition. Syriza
> could assist here but they need to get to grips with policy and practice
> aspects and especially with the news that their central committee has said
> No to the Eurogroup plan and demands.
>
> All the best
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> On 15 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <xekoukou at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> There are 3 things that can be done.
>
> a) Ripple : An electronic payment system independent of the current banks
> that can provide liquidity to the market. No need for Banks nor for cash
> for the market to work.
>
> b) Open Value Network: The development of the OVN model to as many
> economic sectors as possible. Specifically, the transfer of state-owned
> property to local non-profit organizations (the members of which are the
> local community), that act as custodians to that property, allowing that
> property to be used as in the OVN model. Greece has a lot of state-owned
> property that is not used.
>
> c) The creation of a capital accumulation fund for the OVNs. Pat Conaty
> has made proposals on this with regards to cooperatives. I propose the
> implementation of Ryaki, my proposal, since it is a much better, if not the
> best possible, solution.
>
> 2015-07-15 14:50 GMT+03:00 Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>:
>
>> personally, I believe that extractive models are inappropriate for the
>> survival of our planet, and I would like to see corporate reform towards
>> generative models,
>>
>> this would suggest a double strategy:
>>
>> * direct support for not-for-profit entities that directly co-produce
>> commons and integrate negative externalities
>>
>> * corporate reforms that limit the damage of negative externalities at
>> for-profit corporations
>>
>> Move towards commoning in extractive corporations is a progress, to the
>> degree they can also affect the extractive purpose, but if they only serve
>> intensified extraction, that would be problematic,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:11 PM, George Pór <george.por at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michel, would that be that there's no room for-profits in the Plan C or,
>>> more broadly,  in the Commons Transitions? I doubt that that's what you
>>> meant,
>>>
>>> But if there's, wouldn't help if workers there too learn working without
>>> bosses?
>>>
>>> george
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> agreed, buurtzorg is different than a classic forprofit entity (with
>>>> extractive I mean that, not mining <g>)
>>>>
>>>> please go head by asking James,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:04 PM, George Pór <george.por at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi Michel,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> i have not read the book but my impression is that it is exclusively
>>>>>> focused on entities that have extractive practices ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of them have nothing to do the extensive extraction of natural
>>>>> resources, unless we include all organizations, who are using products or
>>>>> services whose the ingredients were ultimately extracted from the Earth,
>>>>> after a long chain of of intermediate companies
>>>>>
>>>>> For example. the book features a Buurtzorg, a self-managed community
>>>>> nursing organizations in the Netherlands. It's worth a read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw, the "Plan C for Advancing the Commons Transition in Greece"
>>>>> seems to be more important and urgent than ever, given the vacuum that
>>>>> rift <http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33531845> in the
>>>>> "institutions' may deepen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't we ask Quilligan to give Plan C a hand?
>>>>>
>>>>> george
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
> --
>
>
>    ,
>
>      Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
>
>
>

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