[P2P-F] [commoning] [Commoning] Greek Vice-President explicitelyendorses commons strategy before parliament

Thu Feb 12 20:04:14 CET 2015

I think many would back a campaign to make this happen. I would donate and we all know others that would also.
Mark

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Subject: Re: [commoning] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitelyendorses commons strategy before parliament

This is the high time for forming the rapid deployment force. Can't we
call all pool rapid funds, coop-funding, crowdfunding, self-funding...
so on to make this happen. If not now, when?

Orsan

Michel Bauwens schreef op 12-2-2015 om 17:45:
> there are no plans nor funding for a new big commons conference ...
> 
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in
>> Greece...
>>
>> Roberto Verzola
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700
>> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <whoeschele at commonsabundance.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> Very interesting discussion!
>>>
>>> I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p
>>> concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in
>>> touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be
>>> useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1)
>>> there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere
>>> (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that
>>> break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are
>>> actual models that can be implemented and there are people both
>>> inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible?
>>>
>>> It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek
>>> negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new
>>> approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a
>>> resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results
>>> for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would
>>> then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in
>>> this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there
>>> are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear
>>> from you what you think about this.
>>>
>>> By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager,
>>> when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is
>>> that personal connection!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Wolfgang
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely
>>> endorses commons strategy before parliament
>>> From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm
>>> To: Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b at gmail.com>,
>>> p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org, Commoning
>>> <commoning at lists.commons-institut.org>,
>>> "tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net>,
>>> Commoning List <commoning at lists.wissensallmende.de>
>>>
>>> Eleftherios thank you for the translation.
>>> Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2
>>> (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an
>>> important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to
>>> the commons ideas.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> George
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas
>>> <elkosmas at gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished
>>> message.
>>>
>>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to
>>> translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and
>>> linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not
>>> be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)
>>>
>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
>>>
>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a
>>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter
>>> of the commons personally and in public is the following.
>>>
>>> I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with
>>> a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events
>>> happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and
>>> now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the
>>> collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually
>>> spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in
>>> the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the
>>> deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by
>>> addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social
>>> security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in
>>> Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced
>>> forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a
>>> strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which
>>> would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people,
>>> optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the
>>> Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of
>>> pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for
>>> us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity
>>> and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of
>>> different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that
>>> these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are
>>> those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by
>>> the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in
>>> Greece and worldwide. Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greek speakers could find the original here.
>>>
>>> http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041
>>>
>>> I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas
>>> <elkosmas at gmail.com> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr
>>> Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind
>>> that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek
>>> language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am
>>> not a trained translator)
>>>
>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
>>>
>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a
>>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter
>>> of the commons.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list
>>> <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org> wrote: understood Vasilis,
>>>
>>> but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management,
>>> and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when
>>> conditions are right ..
>>>
>>> so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on
>>> the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer
>>> term change,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis
>>> <kostakis.b at gmail.com> wrote: Michel,
>>>
>>> The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find
>>> anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference.
>>> However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was
>>> what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George
>>> Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he
>>> highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south
>>> can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this,
>>> George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the
>>> situation and give us time for experimentation".
>>>
>>> Let's see...
>>>
>>> v.
>>>
>>> On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens
>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote: This is very important news:
>>>
>>> perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ?
>>> especially in english ?
>>>
>>> see:
>>>
>>> " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his
>>> speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new
>>> bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global
>>> orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable
>>> development."
>>>
>>> --
>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>>
>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>
>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Vasilis Kostakis
>>>
>>> Senior Research Fellow
>>> Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance
>>>
>>> Research Director
>>> P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>>
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