<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body><div><div style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">I think many would back a campaign to make this happen. I would donate and we all know others that would also.<br>Mark</div></div><div dir="ltr"><hr><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">From: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com">Örsan Şenalp</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Sent: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">12/02/2015 16:54</span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">To: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">Michel Bauwens</a>; <a href="mailto:rverzola@gn.apc.org">Roberto Verzola</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Cc: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:kostakis.b@gmail.com">Vasilis Kostakis</a>; <a href="mailto:tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net">tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net</a>; <a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation</a>; <a href="mailto:commoning@lists.commons-institut.org">Commoning</a>; <a href="mailto:elkosmas@gmail.com">Eleftherios Kosmas</a>; <a href="mailto:georgepapani@gmail.com">George Papanikolaou</a>; <a href="mailto:commoning@lists.wissensallmende.de">Commoning List</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Re: [commoning] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitelyendorses commons strategy before parliament</span><br><br></div>This is the high time for forming the rapid deployment force. Can't we<br>call all pool rapid funds, coop-funding, crowdfunding, self-funding...<br>so on to make this happen. If not now, when?<br><br>Orsan<br><br>Michel Bauwens schreef op 12-2-2015 om 17:45:<br>> there are no plans nor funding for a new big commons conference ...<br>> <br>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola@gn.apc.org><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in<br>>> Greece...<br>>><br>>> Roberto Verzola<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700<br>>> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <whoeschele@commonsabundance.net> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Dear Friends,<br>>>><br>>>> Very interesting discussion!<br>>>><br>>>> I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p<br>>>> concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in<br>>>> touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be<br>>>> useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1)<br>>>> there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere<br>>>> (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that<br>>>> break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are<br>>>> actual models that can be implemented and there are people both<br>>>> inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible?<br>>>><br>>>> It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek<br>>>> negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new<br>>>> approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a<br>>>> resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results<br>>>> for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would<br>>>> then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in<br>>>> this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there<br>>>> are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear<br>>>> from you what you think about this.<br>>>><br>>>> By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager,<br>>>> when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is<br>>>> that personal connection!<br>>>><br>>>> Best wishes,<br>>>> Wolfgang<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> -------- Original Message --------<br>>>> Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely<br>>>> endorses commons strategy before parliament<br>>>> From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani@gmail.com><br>>>> Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm<br>>>> To: Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas@gmail.com><br>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b@gmail.com>,<br>>>> p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org, Commoning<br>>>> <commoning@lists.commons-institut.org>,<br>>>> "tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net>,<br>>>> Commoning List <commoning@lists.wissensallmende.de><br>>>><br>>>> Eleftherios thank you for the translation.<br>>>> Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2<br>>>> (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an<br>>>> important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to<br>>>> the commons ideas.<br>>>><br>>>> Best regards<br>>>> George<br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas<br>>>> <elkosmas@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished<br>>>> message.<br>>>><br>>>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to<br>>>> translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and<br>>>> linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not<br>>>> be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)<br>>>><br>>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"<br>>>><br>>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a<br>>>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter<br>>>> of the commons personally and in public is the following.<br>>>><br>>>> I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with<br>>>> a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events<br>>>> happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and<br>>>> now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the<br>>>> collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually<br>>>> spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in<br>>>> the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the<br>>>> deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by<br>>>> addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social<br>>>> security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in<br>>>> Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced<br>>>> forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a<br>>>> strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which<br>>>> would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people,<br>>>> optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the<br>>>> Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of<br>>>> pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for<br>>>> us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity<br>>>> and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of<br>>>> different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that<br>>>> these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are<br>>>> those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by<br>>>> the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in<br>>>> Greece and worldwide. Thank you.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Greek speakers could find the original here.<br>>>><br>>>> http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041<br>>>><br>>>> I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas<br>>>> <elkosmas@gmail.com> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr<br>>>> Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind<br>>>> that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek<br>>>> language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am<br>>>> not a trained translator)<br>>>><br>>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"<br>>>><br>>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a<br>>>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter<br>>>> of the commons.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list<br>>>> <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org> wrote: understood Vasilis,<br>>>><br>>>> but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management,<br>>>> and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when<br>>>> conditions are right ..<br>>>><br>>>> so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on<br>>>> the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer<br>>>> term change,<br>>>><br>>>> Michel<br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis<br>>>> <kostakis.b@gmail.com> wrote: Michel,<br>>>><br>>>> The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find<br>>>> anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference.<br>>>> However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was<br>>>> what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George<br>>>> Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he<br>>>> highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south<br>>>> can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this,<br>>>> George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the<br>>>> situation and give us time for experimentation".<br>>>><br>>>> Let's see...<br>>>><br>>>> v.<br>>>><br>>>> On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens<br>>>> <michel@p2pfoundation.net> wrote: This is very important news:<br>>>><br>>>> perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ?<br>>>> especially in english ?<br>>>><br>>>> see:<br>>>><br>>>> " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his<br>>>> speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new<br>>>> bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global<br>>>> orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable<br>>>> development."<br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan<br>>>><br>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net -<br>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net<br>>>><br>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens<br>>>><br>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Dr. Vasilis Kostakis<br>>>><br>>>> Senior Research Fellow<br>>>> Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance<br>>>><br>>>> Research Director<br>>>> P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan<br>>>><br>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net -<br>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net<br>>>><br>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens<br>>>><br>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/<br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list<br>>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net<br>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> http://elkosmas.gr<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> http://elkosmas.gr<br>>>><br>>>> ------------------------------------------------<br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> Commoning mailing list<br>>>> Commons-Institut e.V. 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