[P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament

Wed Feb 11 22:51:49 CET 2015

Sorry for my previous half finished message.

Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to translate some
parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and linguistic
differences of the Greek language with English I might not be able to
convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)

"Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
>

The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a commons
based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter of the commons
personally and in public is the following.

I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with a
> general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events happening that
> only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and now a historic era,
> characterized not only by the crisis and the collapse of obsolete models,
> but we live a crisis that eventually spawned new models and new social
> organization models, as was done in the past. In this sense, then, this is
> an opportunity to take up the deficits of the past, to close this
> modernization deficit, but by addressing the contemporary social problem of
> unemployment, social security and social exclusion. This could establish a
> new paradigm in Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining
> advanced forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a
> strong foundation of *common goods*, a society-centric model, which would
> give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, optimism in the
> new generation. Thus, Greece from being the Guenna-pig of austerity and
> destruction could be the a ground of pioneering ideas and policies, and the
> benefit would not be just for us. The world would become a security goal in
> a region of insecurity and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the
> symbiosis of different development models inside. Let's not rush some say
> that these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are
> those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by the
> unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in Greece and
> worldwide. Thank you.
>
>
Greek speakers could find the original here.

http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041

I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to translate
> some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and linguistic
> differences of the Greek language with English I might not be able to
> convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)
>
> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
>
> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a commons
> based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter of the
> commons.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list <
> p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org> wrote:
>
>> understood Vasilis,
>>
>> but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management, and
>> that the real transformative work is put on hold for when conditions are
>> right ..
>>
>> so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on the
>> crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer term
>> change,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Michel,
>>>
>>> The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find
>>> anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference.
>>> However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was what the
>>> vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George Papanikolaou's
>>> reaction in relation to my message, in which he highlights that
>>> Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south can open the way to
>>> new productive relations". In addition to this, George emphasizes that "the
>>> priority now is to stabilize the situation and give us time for
>>> experimentation".
>>>
>>> Let's see...
>>>
>>> v.
>>>
>>> On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is very important news:
>>>>
>>>> perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ? especially
>>>> in english ?
>>>>
>>>> see:
>>>>
>>>> " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his
>>>> speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new bottom-up,
>>>> Commons-based productive models which will have a global orientation and
>>>> will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable development."
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>>>
>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>
>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates:
>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>
>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Vasilis Kostakis
>>>
>>> Senior Research Fellow
>>> Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance
>>>
>>> Research Director
>>> P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>
>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
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>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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