[P2P-F] [Networkedlabour] Transnational and P2P Commons Transitions

[Denis Postle]

On 30/07/2014 21:20, Örsan Şenalp wrote:
> Certainly agree that it is time to advance this work.
>
> I think the working on such exercises and ideas on developed protocols
> on an open page, may be including interested from lists and networks
> on the topic, sounds like a good idea. In tandem with the debate on
> licences and partner state, it would be very complementary. So I would
> be happy to collaborate on that.
>
> May be an idea to have one page for inner-governance, one for between
> p2p governed distributed networks, and one between distributed/p2p and
> vertical agency interactions?
I'm not sure Örsan what you mean by a 'page' but let's try it. My 
experience of P2P governance points to the 
complementarity/interdependence of our 'intra-personal', 
'inter-personal' and 'political' capacities.
Denis
>
> Orsan
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 08:01, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>> Dear Orsan,
>>
>> it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok
>>
>> in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are
>> necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ...
>>
>> perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ?
>>
>> it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory and
>> http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power ..
>>
>> It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great starting
>> point ..
>>
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1
>>
>> for example:
>>
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design /
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks
>>
>> so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules that
>> maintain true distribution of power
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> <<>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and
>> Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being
>> formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small
>> faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical
>> abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong
>> and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions
>> and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like
>> money, girl, ego casued these we can't now...  Then we (emancipatory
>> peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily
>> in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin,
>> Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and
>> authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus
>> whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities
>> limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of
>> revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical
>> politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers
>> to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave
>> them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like
>> them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power
>> accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of
>> communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution
>> processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as
>> well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain
>> network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these
>> weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is
>> not impossible to solve these problems today>>
>>
>> --
>> Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record
>> of previous communication, proposals, etc ..
>>
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>>
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