[P2P-F] [Networkedlabour] Transnational and P2P Commons Transitions

Wed Jul 30 17:53:06 CEST 2014

Willi, I like to force you to think or write in a constructive manner.
Even if you like to criticize others you can do that constructvely as
well, right?

For instance, you have been talking about the pocket p2p distriubted
transportation system, like post and cargo network. If you would like
to give more insight, how does it work or will it be implemented?
could you give, in case there is a developed version of the idea, link
to a web site or document? Would love to read about it.

best, Orsan

On 29 July 2014 19:43, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> this thread is a very important discussion. Maybe the most important on the
> last time. And i hope, that the technical knowledge for the mailman is
> growing up in the P2P foundation.
>
> The realy important task, the "occupy the economy", the local self
> determining and organizing of the economy we search and never we find. We
> find discussion about strategies for transformation. But on what base?
>
> We find theoretics for "partner state", for cooperation with parasitic
> institutions, we find big fog for "knowledge worker" as a legitimation for
> the prasitic middle class. But the base? Our material life conditions? The
> nature as our basics for our existence?
>
> Michel wrote:
> "My preference goes to the creation of maximally autonomous communities that
> engage in counter-economics, and produce social charters to reconstitute
> politics around p2p and the commons, as the athenians and free citizens of
> the middle ages did. The endgame is phase transition, but not waiting until
> it occurs, but instituting it through hyper-connected micro-scale
> initiatives .. scaling through scope, until we are a social force that can
> play at meso and macro-scale."
>
> It was the first time, that i can read about "autonomous Comunas" in this
> discussion and in the P2P foundation. Maybe, i have overlooked it. Or is
> that a result of the desaster in Ecuador? The result of a companion with the
> prasitic state institutions in Ecuador?
>
> Societies as a free network of free and autonomous comunas. Based on: Free
> association of free members. But on what base we are free? Only if we are
> independent. But this is a breaking with the state theories. Never we can go
> this way with the state system, because the state is a instrument for
> centralisation, monopolizing and exclusion. Therefore he need the
> representation.
>
> Marco Giustini args with the Zapatistas as a exemple for aoutonomous
> comunsas. You should go to Chiapas and visit the zaptista communities. I was
> there. It is a big lie, a big theater.
>
> We need the dempcracy. P2P (horizontal and direct) is in principle a
> democratic structure and is totally incompatible with representation.
> Democracy is the counterpol to the representative structure and is never
> compatible to any state construction based on the romean state theory.
>
> Following of that, transformation of a society is the development of the
> local economy. And for that, the development of the local technical
> infrastructers to create the local economy.
>
> I will repeat: in the economy we never find money. This we only find in the
> constructed distribution system.
>
> And never we work for "value accumulation". We work for our needs only and
> not for any virtual speculation object. Of course, we and the result of our
> activities have values. But this for itself have no value and is not
> important.
>
> many greetings, willi
> now: Pitalito, Colombia
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