[P2P-F] [Networkedlabour] Transnational and P2P Commons Transitions

Tue Jul 29 19:43:48 CEST 2014

Dear friends,

this thread is a very important discussion. Maybe the most important on 
the last time. And i hope, that the technical knowledge for the mailman 
is growing up in the P2P foundation.

The realy important task, the "occupy the economy", the local self 
determining and organizing of the economy we search and never we find. 
We find discussion about strategies for transformation. But on what base?

We find theoretics for "partner state", for cooperation with parasitic 
institutions, we find big fog for "knowledge worker" as a legitimation 
for the prasitic middle class. But the base? Our material life 
conditions? The nature as our basics for our existence?

Michel wrote:
"My preference goes to the creation of maximally autonomous communities 
that engage in counter-economics, and produce social charters to 
reconstitute politics around p2p and the commons, as the athenians and 
free citizens of the middle ages did. The endgame is phase transition, 
but not waiting until it occurs, but instituting it through 
hyper-connected micro-scale initiatives .. scaling through scope, until 
we are a social force that can play at meso and macro-scale."

It was the first time, that i can read about "autonomous Comunas" in 
this discussion and in the P2P foundation. Maybe, i have overlooked it. 
Or is that a result of the desaster in Ecuador? The result of a 
companion with the prasitic state institutions in Ecuador?

Societies as a free network of free and autonomous comunas. Based on: 
Free association of free members. But on what base we are free? Only if 
we are independent. But this is a breaking with the state theories. 
Never we can go this way with the state system, because the state is a 
instrument for centralisation, monopolizing and exclusion. Therefore he 
need the representation.

Marco Giustini args with the Zapatistas as a exemple for aoutonomous 
comunsas. You should go to Chiapas and visit the zaptista communities. I 
was there. It is a big lie, a big theater.

We need the dempcracy. P2P (horizontal and direct) is in principle a 
democratic structure and is totally incompatible with representation. 
Democracy is the counterpol to the representative structure and is never 
compatible to any state construction based on the romean state theory.

Following of that, transformation of a society is the development of the 
local economy. And for that, the development of the local technical 
infrastructers to create the local economy.

I will repeat: in the economy we never find money. This we only find in 
the constructed distribution system.

And never we work for "value accumulation". We work for our needs only 
and not for any virtual speculation object. Of course, we and the result 
of our activities have values. But this for itself have no value and is 
not important.

many greetings, willi
now: Pitalito, Colombia