[P2P-F] Ecuador as a state form, the proposal for a Partner State...

Fri Jul 18 05:15:42 CEST 2014

Dear Orsan,

many thanks for your answer. I read the texts to Commons Josaphat. And 
there i found a very interested link:

Letchworth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letchworth

For the writers of 'Commons Josaphat' it is very clear that we need our 
communal economy. And for that our communal technical infrastructure.

You wrote:
"... Declaring the end goal of stateless society to be realized from one 
by empowering the grassroots; ...".

Yes, it have to be clear for us. Only then we can think about the ways, 
what we can go. We need the courage to rethink our future. In this 
process, we make no compromises. We act as the Quakers in Letchworth. We 
have to understand, what we need for our stable life environment in the 
local area. Then we can search our ways, that we can go to come in the 
vicinity of our perspectives.

In my proposal to our global communication system, the Internet, the 
inter-connection of local networks, i follow the same principles. This 
free communication system derives from the connections of the local 
network. And this is always a independent task of the local people.

With our food sovereignty we have to do the same. Also with our 
technical infrastrutures. But we see, that the most important task to do 
is our global communication system. Then we can realize: global 
thinking, local doing. And this can be everywhere on our small planet.

many greetings, willi
Bogota, Colombia

Am 7/17/2014 1:35 PM, schrieb Orsan:
> Can commonification of cities and regions happen.... and then may it become the commonification of the State -which might meen simulateneoulsy dissolution of social power back into where it came from, the society?
>
> Here are some intriguining calls:
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> Commons Josaphat
> http://commonsjosaphat.wordpress.com/
> Let's win Barcelona:
> http://snuproject.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/guanyem-commons-barcelona/
> Commune of Europe:
> http://www.thecommuneofeurope.org/
> .
> What if .. we call all the cities of the world to commonify and then reunion as one undivided humanity, from bottom up pushing city governments, parties, nation states to turn into direct democratic p2p non-states..
>
> The tricky point is how are you going to convince those who hold privileges over 'lower order', untrustworthy ordinary rank and file people. There are many of those elite actively benefiting from the existing power structures, and may be much less those who are wise and modest and who would pursue this goal by confronting the bad boys.. of course all of them as those of us outside are embedded in capitalist mode of production -the very  base the existing power structure is relying dialectically. So multi scale deliberate counter creative and civil offensive to realize the transitions is needed in my opinion, so assertively and openly.
>
> So one person, or network of people, might be able to choose to engage, at one or more level. Declaring the end goal of stateless society to be realized from one by empowering the grassroots; setting check and balance protocols in their p2p communities themselves and ensuring that those protocols are working; then declaring that (Zapatista like) 'we don't want to hold any enclosed and un-socialised power, for people and make them do something we believe that it is good for them; yet we will try to work with those who are in the State in case they accept to collaborate with us in re-socializing the political power. So some kind of open p2p written charter, like a new wiki social civil contracts are needed indeed to justify any close engagement with non-p2p and anti-p2p structures.
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> Since any currently power and wealth holding elite, his/her current 'being' is threatened (same as the feudal aristocracy felt threatened their 'being' by the bourgeoisie), by mass participation in social life, anyone need to realize the support of that kind of mass grassroots support.
>
> If we have a clear ruling class and power structures analyses at hand, context by context, next to our own open and p2p check and balance mechanisms for the networks, and wiki charters. then engaging enemy at various levels, getting support of those positive, critical and sincere elements active in those structures (like snowden) with varying, dynamic and harmonizable strategies.
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> Such strategies should be very clearly and without compromise putting back all the commons; including labour, creative energy, and resources, back in grassroots' so that the self-empowerment of people is increasingly guaranteed.
>
> Just continuos brain storming.. Not beliefs, so very wide open to any critics
>
> Orsan