[P2P-F] P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 37, Issue 48

Mon Feb 10 04:15:39 CET 2014

your questions were published on february 3 and I started responding,

see
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/questions-for-commoners-regarding-currencies/2014/02/03#comment-637357

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mike Riddell <mike at hometownplus.co.uk>wrote:

> Thanks Michel. We will continue the dialogue.
>
> Best wishes, Mike.
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> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> Date: Monday, 27 January 2014 21:26
> To: Mike Riddell <mike at hometownplus.co.uk>
> Subject: Fwd: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 37, Issue 48
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>    1. Re: can anyone reach javier, our wiki tech support
>       (Michel Bauwens)
>    2. Fwd: Articles on FLOK in the Spanish newspapers (Michel Bauwens)
>    3. Re: commons / market / currency questions by Mike Riddell
>       (Karl Robillard)
>    4. Email Archives (Karl Robillard)
>    5. Re: commons / market / currency questions by Mike Riddell
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:15:06 -0500
> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] can anyone reach javier, our wiki tech support
> To: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>,       Kevin
>         Flanagan <kev.flanagan at gmail.com>
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> he responded, checking the responses know, thanks Kevin
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> <<Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 06:11:22 +0100
> From: Kevin Flanagan <kev.flanagan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] can anyone reach javier, our wiki tech support
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> Hi Michel unfortunately its 6 in the morning here. I can ring him at 9 if
> he doesn't. respond.
> On 2014-01-27 4:15 AM, "Michel Bauwens" <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
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> > the unannounced wiki transfer went wrong with thousands of hours of
> > research material lost and this is quite distressing,
> >
> > can anyone reach javier, as I can't get any response in any medium ?
> >
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:18:08 -0500
> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: Articles on FLOK in the Spanish newspapers
> To: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>,  Andr?s
>         Delgado <andres at floksociety.org>, Mar?a Cristina Mart?nez Bravo
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> From: Kevin Flanagan <kev.flanagan at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Articles on FLOK in the Spanish newspapers
> To: David Rozas <david.rozas at gmail.com>, Michael Bauwen <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
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> Thank you very much for the Flok articles David. Speak with you soon.
>
> Kevin
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> On 27 January 2014 13:03, David Rozas <david.rozas at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >  Hi Kevin,
> >
> > At the end, we managed to make it on time to the airport! ;-D
> >
> > Please find below some links with references to the FLOK Society in
> > Spanish newspapers and social news websites:
> >
> >    -
> >
> http://www.eldiario.es/turing/Ecuador-Rafael_Correa-FLOK_Society-buen_vivir-sumak_kawsay-procomun-p2p-copyleft-patentes_0_209279080.html(Spanishnewspaper).
> >    -
> http://www.meneame.net/story/ecuador-pone-rumbo-economia-bien-comun(commentson a popular social news site).
> >    - http://americas.barrapunto.com/article.pl?sid=13/12/11/2050237(link
> >    in the Spanish version of Slashdot).
> >
> > If I read some more, I will forward them to you.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > David
> >
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> > Public key: http://www.davidrozas.com/pk/drozas_pk.asc
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:37:37 -0800
> From: Karl Robillard <krobillard at san.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] commons / market / currency questions by Mike
>         Riddell
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> Michel,
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>
> Here are some condensed responses to Mike Riddell's questions from this
> URL:
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> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/beyond-greenpirate-cooperation-towards-a-european-grand-alliance-of-the-commons/2014/01/24#comment-628220
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>
> 1. Specific protocols.  Not so relevant as a general question since
> participants in the commons will be the ones choosing these, but with
> regards
> to currency see #4.
>
> 2. Redefining commons.  The benefit of a commons over a market is it's
> transparency and open access.
>
> 3. Networks effects.  These are very real and not Utopian.
>
> 4. Social value cannot be reduced to a number (credits).  It is relational
> and
> intrinsic (related to #3).
>
>
> -Karl
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>
> P.S. Had to send this email twice.
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:44:42 -0800
> From: Karl Robillard <krobillard at san.rr.com>
> Subject: [P2P-F] Email Archives
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> I just tried to access the email archives and noticed that they are now
> private and that the URL to them on the wiki is wrong (possibly because
> they
> became private).  When did that happen?
>
>
> -Karl
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:09:37 -0500
> From: Fabio Barone <holon.earth at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] commons / market / currency questions by Mike
>         Riddell
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> Please allow me my contributions.
> I am particularly interested in point 4 though,
> in the context of a local project I am participating.
> No need to say, but I do: just my personal opinions :)
>
> 1.) A commons is a commons - a shared entity - air, water, an "allmend"
> (shared grazing), biodiversity, etc.
> It's in the interactions of its users and their needs and accesses that its
> components arise...
> (in other words I mean it's probably hard to generalize)
>
> 2.) Whatever organization its users decide to adopt could work...
> Local cultural issues are very important in this context
>
> 3.) The "market" is like saying "God" - it's an intangible entity really...
> It depends what you mean by it. A healthy community oriented market may be
> fine,
> a heavily manipulated and controlled market maybe less so...
>
> 4.) I am thinking along these same lines lately. Local institutions (like
> NGOs, social help groups,
> alternative educational orgs, art collectives etc.)  with community
> projects should get free credit
> to be able to spend in circulation on local service providers, and with
> sufficient diversity of participants
> in the system, many needs could be served by members, making the units
> circulate.
>
> But why would outside speculators want to buy stock from these groups?
> If you specifically mention speculators, they are interested in returns
> only,
> not in the community interest. Stocks often also imply voting power in the
> community,
> so this to me doesn't seem very appealing. Also, where would these people
> get their returns from? It would only work if they would be interested in
> returns
> generated inside the community, which may be non-monetary...so there could
> be little incentive for them.
>
> Things could look differently though if there would be a purposely
> sustainability/equitable stock market,
> where investors wouldn't be interested in monetary returns foremost, but in
> supporting great communities,
> and would be open on the nature of the returns. Still this could be done in
> bitcoins though (or something similar).
>
> A very ad-hoc response admittedly so bear with me :)
>
>
> 2014-01-27 Karl Robillard <krobillard at san.rr.com>
>
> > Michel,
> >
> >
> > Here are some condensed responses to Mike Riddell's questions from this
> > URL:
> >
> >
> >
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/beyond-greenpirate-cooperation-towards-a-european-grand-alliance-of-the-commons/2014/01/24#comment-628220
> >
> >
> > 1. Specific protocols.  Not so relevant as a general question since
> > participants in the commons will be the ones choosing these, but with
> > regards
> > to currency see #4.
> >
> > 2. Redefining commons.  The benefit of a commons over a market is it's
> > transparency and open access.
> >
> > 3. Networks effects.  These are very real and not Utopian.
> >
> > 4. Social value cannot be reduced to a number (credits).  It is
> relational
> > and
> > intrinsic (related to #3).
> >
> >
> > -Karl
> >
> >
> > P.S. Had to send this email twice.
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