[P2P-F] [Networkedlabour] Transnational and P2P Commons Transitions

Sun Aug 3 20:52:08 CEST 2014

This a good example Stacco, agree that it woud be usefull, for p2p-f
but also in general.

May be on this there can be a work done for the foundation at the
community development space Michel was referring.

Menawhile just started to copmpile a general list with Dennis Postle
on the debategraph (collaborative software suggested by Helene Findori
and seemed useful to me after several try):
http://debategraph.org/Details.aspx?nid=349168

orsan

On 2 August 2014 12:01, Stacco Troncoso <staccotroncoso at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi friends.
>
> Right now I'd say we're at the exploration level. It's a big concern in Peer
> Production, how do we avoid freeriding, undue influence and stalling? To me
> the answer is to have a clear set of agreed-on protocols and the tools to
> implement them and that's where our thinking is directed these days. We're
> doing it at a smaller scale and with a much more concrete focus in Guerrilla
> Translation, but I think that a lot of the knowledge we're gleaning there
> can be scaled up to Foundation.
>
> The first "structural" proposal we try out will probably not be the last
> one, and this process will imply continued experimentation and feedback, but
> any attempt at moving beyond structureless will benefit us all and improve
> the sort of styrmegic collaborative practices we favour.
>
> My proposal is that we adapt the Better Means Open Governance level to suit
> our needs, that's be the background/governance aspect hat would clarify
> roles and responsibilities greatly. Additionally, it isn't based on
> hierarchy or coercion but meritocracy, you don't have to "state" what your
> commitment level is or what you're going to do You just do it and your work
> will be vauled and, if you don't do it, that's ok, someone else can take
> that work up.
>
> On the practical sense and given that we're a transnational network the
> workflow I'm personally familiar with and which has worked out great for us
> is the following:
>
> Loomio (for discussion and decision making)-Trello (for workflow and task
> management) -Wiki- (For the knowledge acquired).
>
> These feed into each other of course (and can be intimately connected
> through hyperlinks).
>
> I'll copy bunch of links related to these models below but I'd specially
> draw your attention to the first. (The Open Enterprise Framework), but all
> the links have a lot of valuable info. I think that by reading them all and
> then discussing the ideas and voting on proposals on Loomio will get us half
> of the way there.
>
> Open Enterprise Manifesto and Governance model
>
> Video intro to Open Enterprises
>
> Open Enterprise TEDX talk
>
> Better Means Shareable article
>
> Open Value Network: A framework for many-to-many innovation
>
> Enspiral Member Requirements
>
> Espiral on Better Means
>
> Loomio, when business met Occupy
>
> Enspiral and Cobudget
>
> Intro to Open Organizations
>
> Enspiral on the P2P Wiki
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> dear Orsan,
>>
>> we have a community development list within the p2p-f, I think that
>> perhaps this is the best place to advance the governance work,
>>
>> I think that Stacco is motivated to advance this work as well, and he can
>> tell you how far we have gotten,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Örsan Şenalp <orsan1234 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Certainly agree that it is time to advance this work.
>>>
>>> I think the working on such exercises and ideas on developed protocols
>>> on an open page, may be including interested from lists and networks
>>> on the topic, sounds like a good idea. In tandem with the debate on
>>> licences and partner state, it would be very complementary. So I would
>>> be happy to collaborate on that.
>>>
>>> May be an idea to have one page for inner-governance, one for between
>>> p2p governed distributed networks, and one between distributed/p2p and
>>> vertical agency interactions?
>>>
>>> Orsan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28 July 2014 08:01, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>> > Dear Orsan,
>>> >
>>> > it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok
>>> >
>>> > in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are
>>> > necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ...
>>> >
>>> > perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ?
>>> >
>>> > it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see
>>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory and
>>> > http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power ..
>>> >
>>> > It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great
>>> > starting
>>> > point ..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1
>>> >
>>> > for example:
>>> >
>>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design /
>>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks
>>> >
>>> > so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules
>>> > that
>>> > maintain true distribution of power
>>> >
>>> > Michel
>>> >
>>> > <<>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and
>>> > Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being
>>> > formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small
>>> > faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical
>>> > abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong
>>> > and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions
>>> > and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like
>>> > money, girl, ego casued these we can't now...  Then we (emancipatory
>>> > peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily
>>> > in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin,
>>> > Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and
>>> > authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus
>>> > whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities
>>> > limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of
>>> > revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical
>>> > politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers
>>> > to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave
>>> > them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like
>>> > them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power
>>> > accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of
>>> > communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution
>>> > processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as
>>> > well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain
>>> > network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these
>>> > weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is
>>> > not impossible to solve these problems today>>
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no
>>> > record
>>> > of previous communication, proposals, etc ..
>>> >
>>> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>> >
>>> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>> >
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>>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no
>> record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..
>>
>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>
>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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> --
> - Stacco Troncoso
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