[P2P-F] [Networkedlabour] Transnational and P2P Commons Transitions

Fri Aug 1 12:27:57 CEST 2014

I first thought a titanpad, or another collective pad, then thought can
be a page on P2P-F wiki, yet later started this one on the debategraph,
to text the tool: http://debategraph.org/Details.aspx?nid=349168
it seems like a pretty useful tool to work on ideas and design things at
the same-time. So if you like to give it a try just join?
orsan

Denis Postle schreef op 31.07.2014 06:50:
> On 30/07/2014 21:20, Örsan Şenalp wrote:
>> Certainly agree that it is time to advance this work.
>>
>> I think the working on such exercises and ideas on developed protocols
>> on an open page, may be including interested from lists and networks
>> on the topic, sounds like a good idea. In tandem with the debate on
>> licences and partner state, it would be very complementary. So I would
>> be happy to collaborate on that.
>>
>> May be an idea to have one page for inner-governance, one for between
>> p2p governed distributed networks, and one between distributed/p2p and
>> vertical agency interactions?
> I'm not sure Örsan what you mean by a 'page' but let's try it. My 
> experience of P2P governance points to the 
> complementarity/interdependence of our 'intra-personal', 
> 'inter-personal' and 'political' capacities.
> Denis
>> Orsan
>>
>>
>> On 28 July 2014 08:01, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>> Dear Orsan,
>>>
>>> it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok
>>>
>>> in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are
>>> necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ...
>>>
>>> perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ?
>>>
>>> it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see
>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory and
>>> http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power ..
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great starting
>>> point ..
>>>
>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1
>>>
>>> for example:
>>>
>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design /
>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks
>>>
>>> so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules that
>>> maintain true distribution of power
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> <<>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and
>>> Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being
>>> formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small
>>> faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical
>>> abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong
>>> and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions
>>> and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like
>>> money, girl, ego casued these we can't now...  Then we (emancipatory
>>> peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily
>>> in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin,
>>> Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and
>>> authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus
>>> whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities
>>> limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of
>>> revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical
>>> politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers
>>> to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave
>>> them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like
>>> them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power
>>> accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of
>>> communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution
>>> processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as
>>> well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain
>>> network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these
>>> weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is
>>> not impossible to solve these problems today>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record
>>> of previous communication, proposals, etc ..
>>>
>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>
>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>
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