[P2P-F] [commoning] The Co-operative University
dante.monson at gmail.com
Wed Dec 18 15:10:13 CET 2013
*Silke says : "Perhaps sbd want's to start collecting these experiences (
EDUCATION AS COMMONING ) on the P2P website?"*
Sounds good. I'm in.
Also, personally, I would DIFFERENTIATE between *"learning as commons"* ,
and "education" as commons... ;)
I imagine there are already all kinds of content and categories related to
these topics - so I guess it can help to have a clear vision of what it is
we may be expressing.
On this thread, imho, no general consensus - just overlaps in a diversity
As I understand it, some focusing on reproducing the university , but in a
cooperative structure ( with some social media blend ), and focused on the
teachers, who would become the owners of the structure ?
An alternative that seems to be more in the direction you seem to suggest
Silke, though I feel you may be using a midway approach, is one not only
that is learner centered, but learner controlled.
Basing ourselves on a Contribution Economy approach,
See ladder of participation :
As for editing the p2pfoundation wiki,
I try not to mess too much with the p2pfoundation site, sometimes just
adding or correcting, rather sending info to others ( often Michel ) to add
If others create the structure / how it is categorized, or pages, I can add
links where it seems appropriate.
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Silke Helfrich <silke.helfrich at gmx.de>wrote:
> Dear all,
> just a short note:
> Once the new university-like "institution" I was talking about is running
> ("classes" start by early January 2014, and I hope official recognition is
> underway) I'll post some more information via this list.
> There is a huge need to show that also our educational systems can be
> remodeled as commons; and the good thing is, this is nothing new at all, we
> can learn from practices worldwide.
> May be at some point we should think about putting all this experience
> together and discussing it in depth!
> For me -for instance - the zapatistas approach is extremely inspiring (but
> different from what we also need to do here in Germany); or the campesino a
> campesino programms all over the world - so how to get this into higher
> education in countries like mine?
> Perhaps sbd want's to start collecting these experiences (EDUCATION AS
> COMMONING) on the P2P website?
> Very best
> Am 18.12.2013 06:54, schrieb davste at spektral.at:
>> I just get home from big student protests after the new austrian
>> government abrogated the 'ministry of science and research". It's now
>> part of the 'ministry for economy'.
>> I am also quite interested in the free university projects going on. My
>> overall interest is in co-operative learning not only within the
>> academic sphere but outside of the university, also
>> academic-and-non-academic learning together.
>> Since we are trying out a kind of 'free and open university' project in
>> Graz I am facing many questions.
>> There're concerning:
>> * learning from (urban) commons projects.
>> * How can we use the city as resource? How can we participate in urban
>> development to create a city for our needs? (Since german commons
>> summerschool with silke I am thinking of how to 'activate' people in
>> participating in urban development. This can also be seen as a kind of
>> strategy against enclosure of urban commons)
>> * the integration of people of different social groups (e.g. academic
>> and non-academic, from different cultures/countries) and of different
>> age for learning practices, also research and working on solutions in
>> one's everyday life.
>> Our project in Graz is (right now) in the very beginning and we are
>> still searching for people who have knowledge and experience about
>> education. So far we are trying out different things: skill sharing,
>> using online courses, reading circles and practical stuff. Our first
>> trial is concerning gardening. Ecology and biology is too theoretical,
>> so we wanna use the community gardens in Graz. We are trying to include
>> very different groups and people of different age (starting with
>> kindergarden, also people in retirement).
>> Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Interesting Silke.
>> Feels already closer to a "Cooperative of Learners" :)
>> Is it a face to face real world living space you imagine ?
>> I am interested in projects that could happen in Germany.
>> How big would you imagine to start off ?
>> Can it build on something existing ?
>> Some existing faculties ? Possibly a continuation of a program, to
>> start with ?
>> If so, which ones would be interested , as to help learned to bring
>> research and projects further into life, beyond conventional Phd's ?
>> And feeding a commons ?
>> Could it be in collaboration with existing "Open Universities", or
>> platforms such as Gaia University ? http://www.gaiauniversity.org/
>> Somehow, what you suggest, with support to the learners / students
>> costs, reminds me also of the Steiner backed Youth Initiative
>> Program http://yip.se/
>> ( if not already in touch, I ll gladly support with networking )
>> I somehow imagine it like small co-living / co-learning spaces,
>> which could be networked within one same area.
>> I also remember vaguely ( do not remember the references )
>> some project in Berlin which focused on networking various places (
>> including work spaces ? ) open to sharing learning ?
>> Is there any convergence space online where it is already possible
>> to stay updated in relation to the vision you express ?
>> If not in the short term, for whenever there is a more specific
>> definition of such vision ?
>> Just stumbled on this mail and links , which are likely common
>> knowledge to most people on this list ? :
>> Note : or instead of an opposition between a limited capitalist
>> market Vs commons,
>> are we rather talking about *non-monopolistic commons based markets *?
>> *Markets in the form of available information with a variety of
>> criteria* - not only based on price in terms of monopolist tokens ?
>> also reminds me of Festivalism
>> also see Kevin Carson's :
>> The Table
>> The Logic of the Market versus the Logic of the Commons
>> *Market* *Commons*
>> What can I sell?Exchange value
>> What do we need?Use value
>> *Core beliefs* Scarcity Plenty
>> Homo oeconomicus Homo cooperans
>> It's about resources (allocation)/./ It's about us.
>> *Governance* Market-State Polycentric / Peer-to-Peer
>> Decision making hierarchical horizontal
>> Command (Power, Law, Violence) Consensus, Free Cooperation,
>> *Social relationships* Centralization of power (monopoly)
>> Decentralization of power(autonomy)
>> Property Possession
>> Access to rival resources Limited by boundaries & rules defined by
>> owner Limited by boundaries & rules defined by usergroups
>> Access to nonrival resources Made scarce (to ensure
>> Open access (to ensure social equity)
>> Use rights Granted by owner Co-decided by user groups
>> *Dominant strategy* Out-compete Out-cooperate
>> For the resources
>> Conservation Reproduction & Multiplication
>> For the people Exlusion & Participation Inclusion &
>> * Source: The Commons: Year One of the Global Commons Movement by
>> Silke Helfrich (29. Januar 2011)
>> *Table One: Spectacle and Festival*
>> 1. Work
>> 2. Work or play time
>> 3. Imposed patterns of behavior
>> 4. Dead time
>> 5. Religions of consumption
>> 6. Pseudo desires
>> 7. Pseudo needs
>> 8. Loss of Self
>> 9. Colonized spaces
>> 10. Spectator
>> 11. Functionary
>> 12. Survival of the Fittest/Richest
>> 1. Play
>> 2. Work and play
>> 3. Freely constructed behavior
>> 4. Live time
>> 5. Self
>> 6. Transparent desires
>> 7. Transparent needs
>> 8. Self-Management
>> 9. Free spaces
>> 10. Participant/Co-designer
>> 11. Self-Managed
>> 12. Coevolution and Co-survival
>> Towards an Ethical Economy
>> * *The Ethical Economy <http://p2pfoundation.net/Ethical_Economy>.
>> Rebuilding Value After the Crisis. By Adam Arvidsson
>> <http://p2pfoundation.net/Adam_Arvidsson> and Nicolai Peitersen.
>> Columbia University Press, 2013*
>> 1. Reciprocity. An Economics of Social Relations
>> Serge-Christophe Kolm. Cambridge University Press, 2008*
>> 2. Macrojustice. The Political Economy of Fairness
>> <http://p2pfoundation.net/Political_Economy_of_Fairness>. By
>> Serge-Christophe Kolm. Cambridge University Press, 2005 
>> 3. Herman Daly. For the Common Good: Redirecting the Economy toward
>> Community, the Environment, and a Sustainable Future
>> Beacon Press, 1994
>> 4. Natural Capitalism
>> <http://p2pfoundation.net/Natural_Capitalism>: Creating the Next
>> Industrial Revolution – Paul Hawken
>> On Monetary Economics and Transformation:
>> 1. *The Future of Money <http://p2pfoundation.net/Future_of_Money>.
>> Creating New Wealth, Work, and a Wiser World. Bernard Lietaer
>> Random House* free pdf
>> 2. Local Money <http://p2pfoundation.net/Local_Money>: How To Make
>> It Happen In Your Community – Peter North
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Silke Helfrich
>> <silke.helfrich at gmx.de <mailto:silke.helfrich at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> Dear John
>> I very much agree with you and am therefor happy to participate
>> in a new attempt to open a University in Germany which is based
>> on exactly the ideas you mention:
>> Students won't only pay (hopefully money the get as a gift from
>> somewhere/ that is what we try to organize - there has to be
>> gift-money in education), they also will receive the money, that
>> is they will - as a students organization - manage the fees by
>> themselves which to some extend will be the most important
>> infrastructure of the University. (I say "to some extend"
>> because there are still some rules to fit into the current
>> system to get the title of a University) .
>> The concept is so consequent to say: "and if the students don't
>> need the University anymore, the University should close". As
>> you said: education is relational.
>> Very best
>> Am 16.12.2013 15:22, schrieb John:
>> Dear Folks,
>> There is nothing inherently wrong with paying someone for a
>> service they
>> provide to you. Indeed, one of the absurdities of the present
>> educational set up is precisely that students have so little
>> say in the
>> educational services they pay for. There was a time when some
>> universities were operated as student-run educational
>> co-operatives in
>> which students subjected the professors that they were going
>> to hire to
>> scrupulous cross examination before approving their positions
>> educational service providers to the student body. This was
>> the case at
>> the University of Bologna until quite recently.
>> So, one angle of approach is for students to have far more
>> control over
>> the selection of faculty, over the design and evaluation of
>> courses, and
>> of the running of the university itself – in partnership
>> with the
>> teachers themselves and other community stakeholders.
>> Education is a classic /relational good/, that is, a good
>> that is
>> co-produced by the provider and the recipient of the service
>> /together/. Education doesn't happen unless /both/ parties
>> are fully
>> engaged in the exchange of knowledge relations, and it is
>> produced when the educational relationship is one of
>> reciprocity and
>> equality. This is the reason why authentic education is not
>> a commodity
>> – it is an exchange of human relations and revolves around
>> the question
>> of the nature of knowledge production.
>> The creation of equality, of reciprocal educational
>> relationships, and
>> the provision of control rights to students is the heart of
>> educational institutions need to be reformed. Unless this
>> everything else is a sideshow and a distraction.
>> On 13-12-16 4:49 AM, Joss Winn wrote:
>> On 16/12/2013 09:13, "mp"<mp at aktivix.org
>> <mailto:mp at aktivix.org>> wrote:
>> On 15/12/13 19:03,anna at shsh.co.uk
>> <mailto:anna at shsh.co.uk> wrote:
>> I certainly don't want to criticise the idea of
>> a cooperative
>> university and all the work you are doing at the
>> SSC. However the
>> fundamental distinction between students and
>> teachers is that the
>> former have to pay and the latter get paid.
>> Is that what they call capitalism? Social relations
>> revolving around a
>> commodity form, in this case "education" as the
>> commodity? Giving
>> structure to a hierarchy, where there are experts
>> (controlling the means
>> of (knowledge) production) and followers (consuming
>> the produced
>> knowledge commodities, if they can afford it)?
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