[P2P-F] presenting panoply

Sat Sep 10 00:39:51 CEST 2011

Michel, imo, economics should be regarded as a commons domain rather than  
an ideology masked as an authentic discourse and the attendant priesthood  
to the oligarchy. I am trying to fathom your question and the reference to  
a lay audience. The whole fiscal process is deeply bought and thereby  
assumes the duty to and service to their patrons. "Wrong solutions to  
commons problems" could be expanded upon by using various historical  
examples. The nature of "positive" economics as actually also most  
positivistic discourse about doing science or doing a Science, have a  
distinct and strong aversion to an inductive working and morphing of  
patterns. Alongside this are implications from posing that perhaps Plato  
was a better playwright than philosopher.

The commons has a metaphysics in Parmenides' poem, that legacy also has  
had scattered contributors operating in an often resurrected cosmology of  
capacities rather than by the means of conformity to abstractions and the  
predictable permutations and deviations. There are possibly six different  
examples I could describe relative wrong solutions to commons problems.  
The Laffer curve is one example. The history and bad economics places the  
basic world view as subverted mostly when ideology and theory have trumped  
actual results. Much of academic economics is explicitly anti-historical.  
There really is little light in the dismal streets and by-ways. The threat  
of an appearance is quickly promoted to fact.

Wrong solutions to commons problems tends to be more than a few stories,  
and it is a way to start. And still this could go several different  
directions

Mary Parker Follett had number of compatible methods and perspectives and  
an important part was her emphasis upon integrative meditation, which  
begins from the assumption that a commons exists within industrial  
contexts as well. She had right solutions based upon commons practices.  
She specifically described what she did as studying the science of  
cooperation.

fast forward, Tadit Anderson

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:21:05 -0400, Michel Bauwens  
<michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

> I don't know enough of U.S. history to understand your contribution  
> fully,
> but I am intrigued by one paragraph, just below, and wonder if you would  
> not
> be up for a p2p blog article on 'wrong solutions to commons problems',  
> where
> you elaborate the following for a lay audience,
>
> see:
>
> "The power of the states and local banks to
> circulate their own certificates/currencies was the applied solution
> became known as the free banking era in US economic history. As a
> consequence of no banking regulations virtually at all By the time of the
> issuance of the US Greenbacks in 1861 there were 7,000 different
> currencies being used. The Free Banking period is renown for the
> widespread fraud, bankruptcy, and counterfeiting resulting from a state's
> rights "solution" to a commons problem. This is the same level of
> subversion of the need for a genuine alternative in a commons based
> monetary paradigm."
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:28 PM, <ideasinc at ee.net> wrote:
>
>> This seems quite progressive for the most part, and it seems to be not
>> fully out of the neo-classical financialized capitalism box. Lietaer's  
>> own
>> The Future of Money directly admits concession to the debt based  
>> monetary
>> model. I believe I remember that it appears on page 214. In effect the
>> agenda of nominal monetary reform without much actual monetary reform.
>>
>> By way of an historical example from the 19 century in the US, Pres.
>> Andrew Jackson's battle against the Second National Bank of the US as a
>> group of blood thirsty frauds and thieves was not a simple hero story
>> featuring good guy versus bad guys. It is actually an example of right
>> problem but wrong solution. The power of the states and local banks to
>> circulate their own certificates/currencies was the applied solution
>> became known as the free banking era in US economic history. As a
>> consequence of no banking regulations virtually at all By the time of  
>> the
>> issuance of the US Greenbacks in 1861 there were 7,000 different
>> currencies being used. The Free Banking period is renown for the
>> widespread fraud, bankruptcy, and counterfeiting resulting from a  
>> state's
>> rights "solution" to a commons problem. This is the same level of
>> subversion of the need for a genuine alternative in a commons based
>> monetary paradigm.
>>
>> The Greenbacks became politically hazardous later exactly because of the
>> massive positive effect of an asset based, sovereign issued currency,  
>> the
>> banking sector lobbied hard toward converting the US system onto a Gold
>> standard, and they won that one. In 1863-4 the National Banking acts  
>> were
>> passed as a compromise with the banking sector of the pro-war merchants.
>> These laws allowed the operations and incorporation of banking
>> corporations across state lines and shut down the ability of local and
>> state banks to issue currencies. This allowed the mega-banks to be  
>> largely
>> control the development of the economy once the US Civil War ended. And
>> there is more, and then also the fraud of the US Federal Reserve, in the
>> lineage of the Bank of England fraud playbook. The failings of the
>> Confederacy was particularly interesting in that they preserved the  
>> states
>> rights category of impairing actual common economic participation, and
>> thereby did not have anything like the Greenbacks.
>>
>> The point here is that the same sort of centrifugal dynamics will  
>> prevail,
>> including in the assumption of limited framing and alternatives. To put  
>> it
>> in zen koan structure, when is an alternative, like one hand clapping?  
>> To
>> put it another way perhaps the possibilities should be only limited by  
>> our
>> capacities, rather than by the acceptance of standards and policy  
>> manuals
>> for the sake of free rent and worse. Cook's Open Capital model also  
>> hovers
>> on the edge of the post-Keynesian macro-commons. In effect the Greenback
>> was the right solution to the chicanery of the Second National Bank of  
>> the
>> US. It was not a debt based currency. Exhortations to a social
>> libertarianism seem most practical when the additional capacities can be
>> explored outside the installed pre-suppositions.
>>
>> as we go, Tadit Anderson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Civilized, gives people equal economic opportunity and basic income
>> security.
>>
>>  Massively parallel decision making and pricing based on a market (the
>> best of capitalism).
>>
>>  Environmentally conscious.
>>
>>  Resilient to future changes in automation, robotics.
>>
>>  P2P lending encourages community building, nurturing trust, and long  
>> term
>> thinking.
>>
>>  Resolves the tragedy of the commons in a mature way:
>>
>>  P2P trust effectively limits the effects of free-loaders without  
>> ruining
>> the entire playing field.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 10:00:19 -0400, Michel Bauwens
>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>
>> > *Mohamad Tarifi <http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/bio/tarifi/>'s  
>> economic
>> > proposals at http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/tarifi20110908 are
>> quite
>> > interesting and sensible,
>> >
>> > I'll be excerpting the p2p paragraphs on the blog on the 18th,
>> >
>> > Michel
>> > *
>>
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