[P2P-F] Fw: Info

[Natalie Golovin]

I agree with Kevin completely in theory, but as I mentioned earlier-people 
live in their own times. It's the 21st century and there is no vacant land 
left in the US. BTW Mexico doesn't allow US citizens or those from Central 
America to move in and "homestead"
The European Tribes treated the Natives no worse than they treated each 
other. What started off as involuntary manslaughter in the 17th & 18th 
centuries turned into voluntary manslaughter during the plains wars when 
growing Federal power & powerful economic interests got involved. There were 
also violent hostilities among ranchers and farmers. I'm finished with this 
subject mp READ


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borders? Thought you wanted them polices/militarized, whereas Kevin
argues they should be open?

On 22/10/11 02:58, Natalie Golovin wrote:
> Agreed-that was easy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Carson
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Info
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Natalie Golovin<10natalie at cox.net> 
> wrote:
>> Going back to Native Populations..We're talking about 250 years of
>> interplay
>> among various groups of both tribes and migrating Europeans (subgroup
>> religions) at a time when communication/transportation and historical
>> knowledge re different civilizations was quite wanting compared to today.
>> I
>> already mentioned disease accounted for most of the deaths. The
>> interactions
>> were very diverse and many mostly local until the mid 19th Century (Big
>> exception-French&  Indian War) Spanish, French&  English migrants
>> interacted
>> very differently with the tribes. In general, flagrant abuses come about
>> when economic&  political forces join hands.
>
> Actually, I don't dispute the right of European settlers to homestead
> vacant land that actually wasn't being used, on an individual basis.
> What I was responding to was your suggestion that the common property
> of nomads, homesteaded by the act of using it as hunting grounds,
> wasn't "real property" and that European settlers were entitled to
> homestead land in such collective use on the grounds either of need
> (the overpopulated cities of Europe) or more efficient technical
> exploitation of the land.  The natives, in general, were usually
> amenable to foreign settlements on land they weren't actually using --
> I don't think they had a collective right to exclude people from using
> vacant land they weren't using themselves, any more than native
> citizens today have a collective ownership over land that a Mexican
> national might like to move onto.
>
>> As to "White Supremacy"-Suffice it to say I get in trouble with my Hard
>> Left
>> friends when I side with the young Hispanic girls who don't care about
>> school,  get pregnant in early teens and refuse abortion. These girls
>> value
>> family and love more than future prospects of good jobs&  I think that's
>> fine. BTW I worked at a Juvenile Detention center for a couple of years&
>> understand the problems of growing up poor in rough neighborhoods.
>
> I consider myself pretty hard left, and I can't imagine why anyone
> would get bent out of shape by that.  Anyone who wants to bully girls
> like that into having abortions against their own judgment or
> inclination seriously needs to consider Willie Nelson's dictum:  the
> world would be a better place if everybody smoked a joint every day
> and minded their own goddamned business.
>

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