[P2P-F] Fw: Info

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borders? Thought you wanted them polices/militarized, whereas Kevin 
argues they should be open?

On 22/10/11 02:58, Natalie Golovin wrote:
> Agreed-that was easy.
>
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> From: Kevin Carson
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> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Natalie Golovin<10natalie at cox.net>  wrote:
>> Going back to Native Populations..We're talking about 250 years of
>> interplay
>> among various groups of both tribes and migrating Europeans (subgroup
>> religions) at a time when communication/transportation and historical
>> knowledge re different civilizations was quite wanting compared to today.
>> I
>> already mentioned disease accounted for most of the deaths. The
>> interactions
>> were very diverse and many mostly local until the mid 19th Century (Big
>> exception-French&  Indian War) Spanish, French&  English migrants
>> interacted
>> very differently with the tribes. In general, flagrant abuses come about
>> when economic&  political forces join hands.
>
> Actually, I don't dispute the right of European settlers to homestead
> vacant land that actually wasn't being used, on an individual basis.
> What I was responding to was your suggestion that the common property
> of nomads, homesteaded by the act of using it as hunting grounds,
> wasn't "real property" and that European settlers were entitled to
> homestead land in such collective use on the grounds either of need
> (the overpopulated cities of Europe) or more efficient technical
> exploitation of the land.  The natives, in general, were usually
> amenable to foreign settlements on land they weren't actually using --
> I don't think they had a collective right to exclude people from using
> vacant land they weren't using themselves, any more than native
> citizens today have a collective ownership over land that a Mexican
> national might like to move onto.
>
>> As to "White Supremacy"-Suffice it to say I get in trouble with my Hard
>> Left
>> friends when I side with the young Hispanic girls who don't care about
>> school,  get pregnant in early teens and refuse abortion. These girls
>> value
>> family and love more than future prospects of good jobs&  I think that's
>> fine. BTW I worked at a Juvenile Detention center for a couple of years&
>> understand the problems of growing up poor in rough neighborhoods.
>
> I consider myself pretty hard left, and I can't imagine why anyone
> would get bent out of shape by that.  Anyone who wants to bully girls
> like that into having abortions against their own judgment or
> inclination seriously needs to consider Willie Nelson's dictum:  the
> world would be a better place if everybody smoked a joint every day
> and minded their own goddamned business.
>

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