[P2P-F] Libertarians

Wed Oct 19 18:28:14 CEST 2011

hahahahaha....

On 19/10/11 14:06, Natalie Golovin wrote:
> Read history-Most of the deaths were from disease. That native didn't have
> immunity can't be blamed on Europeans. Alcoholism is tied to generic
> differences in metabolism. The processing of sugars is different in peoples
> who were nomadic-didn't eat regularly and had a high protein diet. The
> actual conflicts that caused hostile actions were economic and trade
> related-and manipulated from England then Washington. BTW I have travelled
> extensively-including to many tribal lands.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Janssen
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:08 PM
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> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Libertarians
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> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Natalie Golovin<10natalie at cox.net>  wrote:
>> And please stop romanticizing native peoples. At the time-all the
>> tribes-including the invading European ones- engaged in shifting alliances
>> &
>> schemes to enrich their communities. The Europeans had better weapons. And
>> since no one "owned" all that available land, and many of the tribes were
>> nomadic-What right (Re: a previous mail) did the natives have to dominate
>> it?
>
> Sorry, I feel I have to step in and clear up this illusion that
> somehow we're "romanticizing" the native peoples.  It is not fucking
> "romantic" just because one doesn't want to be the genocidal
> benefactor of 12 million deaths.  IS it?  Is that how you want to
> define the basis of the wealth of the Nation?  That you're prosperous
> because you've built up an empire standing on top of 12 million,
> mostly innocent people, living on their ancient, ancestral lands as
> they had for thousands of years before we invaded it.  Go fucking
> visit a reservation in northern nebraska and see the people that
> suffer to this day, unable to "cure" their alcoholism because their
> spirit and grand relationship to the cosmos has been broken simply
> because you had a fucking gun.
>
> Pardon me, sorry for any friendly-fire..
>
> marcos
>
> The invaders came from crowded cities and were "homesteading."
>> We're not getting anywhere with this dialogue-Why not switch gears to
>> attacking CEO's&  enabling bureaucrats&  politicians-where we have
>> "common"
>> ground?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Carson
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 7:48 PM
>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Libertarians
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Natalie Golovin<10natalie at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Convoluted  I�m a human citizen of the US which through its Constitution
>>> grants its citizens a certain set of rights&  privileges. It has 3
>>> branches-Executive, Legislative&  Judicial and a border that is
>>>   �generally�
>>> respected and would be defended militarily if aggressively attacked. I
>>> consider myself fortunate to be a citizen of a country that confers human
>>> rights on its citizens- a rare thing. A human without a nation has no
>>> rights-privileges or security.
>>
>> I believe I have my rights by nature of my birth as a human being, not
>> as a result of their being "granted" or "conferred" by any government.
>> The U.S. government, at most, recognizes -- or rather, pays lip
>> service -- to these rights.
>>
>> And the wording of the Bill of Rights itself refers to "persons," not
>> citizens, and has been widely understood since the beginning to
>> require due process of law for all persons residing under the state's
>> jurisdiction.
>> --
>> Kevin Carson
>> Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
>> Homebrew Industrial Revolution:  A Low-Overhead Manifesto
>> http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com
>> Desktop Regulatory State:  The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered
>> Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com
>> Organization Theory:  A Libertarian Perspective
>> http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
>>
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