[P2P-F] Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City

Sun Oct 2 21:37:48 CEST 2011

This is a document accepted by the general assemply. One is not responsible
for what is but what he does to change things . Since, I assume, there is a
democratic process in the assemply, it would be more fruitfull to try to
participate than condemn it. It would also be usefull to answer what is the
responsibility of your group, party in this turn of events. I have seen too
many condemning the people for being stupid and ignorant instead of looking
for their responsibility. In fact , a libertarian friend of mine had the
same attitude toward the greek movement because the libertarian ideas were
not accepted.

Just saying...

2011/10/2 Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net>

> Reich was the darling of "soft" academia in the 60's. I find him irrelevant
> as well as unappealing. My preference is the recent and pragmatic Eric
> Hoffer- a man of the people. The totalitarian left has murdered more, and
> caused far more economic despair than the Fascist right. Dictators demand
> unitary power/control to engineer/impose their egotistical world-views.
> Fascist corporatism has many more voices and simpler motives. My "take" on
> Libertarianism is that it couldn't be a mask for its own gain- because
> there
> are no real leaders-no central authority. We ask for a limited, intelligent
> and competent political structure that will act as honest watch-dog,
> moderator, umpire, referee- to negotiate competing demands in a free-market
> society. The rewriting of the Interstate Commerce Clause helped removed
> govt
> from local democratic control. Abuses contributing to the current crisis
> have been the result of collusion among global corporate and political
> leaders with the eager assistance of an unethical financial community.
> From: ideasinc at ee.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:47 AM
> To: P2P Foundation mailing list
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City
>
> Natalie,
> Wilhelm Reich wrote an excellent book, that generally is ignored. The
> title is the "Mass Psychology of Fascism." it is based upon his direct
> experience of the rise of Nazi fascism in Germany and of his direct
> contact with Stalinist communists which he also describes as a form of
> fascism. Then there are the various degrees of totalitarianism. Both are
> very similar by the enforced conformity to authority. "Libertarianism" as
> a concept has also been used to provide an acceptable appearance for other
> forms of authoritarianism, most notably the siege against small "d"
> democracy and the role of governance to protect and preserve the commons
> in its many forms. The Libertarian Party in the US has been gathering
> point for nominal conservatives who operate to diminish the commons in
> multiple contexts. Sticking to the outcomes and objectives as would be
> expected in a democratic process does seem like a better way to define and
> sustain an open process. Yes, there is a substantial potential problems
> when appearance and labels are accepted as either adequate or applicable.
> In short you, imo, are quite correct in being suspicious of labeling as
> basis for political correctness.
>
> Tadit
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:19:19 -0400, Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Declaration will cause movement to lose a lot of support. You may say
> > you don’t care about Libertarians anyway-not very democratic attitude.
> > When the Left gets going it’s more frightening than the Corporatocracy
> >
> > From: Michel Bauwens
> > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:14 AM
> > To: p2p-foundation
> > Cc: Amaia Arcos
> > Subject: [P2P-F] Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City
> >
> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City
> >
> > Dear Amaia, can you publish this on our blog?
> >
> > Michel
>
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Sincerely yours,

     Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
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