[P2P-F] UROs are on the air

Mon May 30 06:50:57 CEST 2011

thank you so much George, this type of news needs to be spread more!

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:44 AM, George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com
> wrote:

>  Hello from Greece,
>
> This is the fifth day and the crowd is increasing in Syntagma square in
> Athens. There must have been more than 30.000 people this evening and there
> are still there more than 10.000 at 11.30 pm (today). As a genuine gathering
> of the multitude there are not prevailing slogans apart from "thefts" and
> "take a helicopter and leave this place" (it refers to what has happened in
> Argentina). Flags of Argentina can be also seen among the demonstrators. In
> the front a banner says in Spanish "we are desperate, we woke-up. What time
> is it? Its time for them to leave". People are dancing shouting or just
> hanging around talking to each other. A "general assembly" is held at late
> hours in the square, where people can take the microphone, speak and say
> what they think freely. It's not stopping and it will not stop although I
> think that maybe there will be less people the forthcoming days.
>
> Maybe you are not aware on the details of the Greek time lines. There are
> enough money for the government until the 14 July and they desperately need
> the next dose of the IMF and the EU to keep the country running. EU
> governments are blackmailing, asking for a national consensus of at least
> the governing socialist party  and the conservative right party, but the
> conservatives do not accept. They are asking for a huge privatization plan
> which practically spans all public enterprises including water companies and
> land. The latter is something quite difficult to be accepted by the public
> opinion.
>
> The idea that prevails is that after selling all these crucial resources
> nothing will really change for the people and most possibly we will be in
> the same position of bankruptcy after a year or maybe two having lost by
> this time most of public resources. Also a huge tax collection plan is under
> finalization which according to leakages it will cost 3.000-4000 euros
> annually for a family with 4 persons . This means that a lot of marginally
> surviving people will fell below the elementary standard of living. Another
> 150.000 unemployed are expected for the forthcoming year. Final decisions
> will be announced most probably at 6th of June - so keep this date in mind.
> It might be the beginning of real bloody demonstrations.
>
> What are the political implications of this mass mobilization and which are
> the probable effects? Although is difficult to say I am thinking that most
> probably if this dynamic goes on it might be impossible for the government
> to vote for the new measures. At this stage political instability with these
> time lines means bankruptcy.
>
> Another interesting story is that parts of the national capitalist class
> are seriously thinking of bankrupting the country and take over with a new
> drachma. This is not discussed politically openly because a return to a
> national currency will be extremely painful for the masses. In fact the
> story of Argentina is well known. My impression of the overall situation is
> that for several reasons Greece follows the road to an open bankruptcy with
> several people waiting to benefit from that and nobody taking the political
> risk to support it. Since European governments are deeply divided on the
> Greek crisis, it is difficult to believe that they will act in a
> coordinated, quick and generous way to avoid the storm, although this cannot
> be ruled out.
>
> Now, some figures from the public opinion
>
>
> Red = the IMF-EU program is not beneficiary for the country
> Blue = it is beneficiary
>
> The most important slide which shows the bankruptcy of the ruling system in
> Greece is the following. Please pay attention...
>
>
> Red = do not trust
> Blue= trust
> Top bar (1st) = fellow citizens/people
> 2nd= social movements
> 3rd=banks
> 4th=media
> 5th=trade unions
> 6th=parliament
> 7th=governments
> 8th=political parties
>
> Does this explain to you what happens now at Syntagma square?
>
> Best regards
> George
>
>
> Στις 29/05/2011 04:45 μμ, ο/η orsan at tie-netherlands.nl έγραψε:
>
> To make use of a Yes Man style media action project in order to reach out
> poeple and create a ripple effect!
>
>
> Citeren Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>
>
> great Orsan!
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:08 PM, <orsan at tie-netherlands.nl><orsan at tie-netherlands.nl>wrote:
>
> That would be great!
> I have already pasted acall on a new discussion group i created about
> Global P2P Revolution on p2p ning:
>
>
>
> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/group/peerlabour/forum/topics/anonymous-call-for-a-global
>
>
> Citeren Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>
>
>
>  I really think we should contribute to this as p2p collectives and
>
> individuals ...
>
> I really think that Amaia has found the right formula with her storify's,
> which we can easily embed in our blog, and Naomi Klein has already
> retweeted
> amaia's story ...
>
> what I propose is the following, i.e. that each of you used storify to
> keep
> track of developments in your own area,
>
> then we need one extra volunteer to do this on the 'global level',
>
> an alternative is to use a specific tag for this and I could do a weekly
> roundup of this global tag ... say Global-P2P-Revolution ??
>
> we can also use Peer Labour at Ning to discuss and spread the word?
>
> Michel
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Amaia Arcos  <amaia.arcos at googlemail.com
> >wrote:
>
>  The whole world peacefully rising against all that is unjust on 11.11.11
>
> would send shivers down God's own spine (:P), I think it is a great idea.
> If
> the momentum keeps going until then (and I don't see why not, they are
> surely not going to make it easy for us) I guess we have enough time to
> globally link up and try.
>
> I'm up for anything, you can only try. And the idea of somehow just
> concentrating on linking up people makes sense. There are many who
> organise
> stuff but are not particularly that well aware of who else is out there
> and/or what else is being done. And having somewhere decent where to go
> and
> see who is out there, doing what and when is not a bad idea either. Many
> find the internet disorienting in that there is too much data and they
> don't
> know how to search (or they have the idea that they don't and so they
> don't
> try).
>
>
> On 27 May 2011 15:43, <orsan at tie-netherlands.nl><orsan at tie-netherlands.nl>wrote:
>
>  Unindefined Revolutionary Objects (UROs) are appearing like thunder
>
> stike
> around the world and occupying important city centers... where is this
> process headed to!
> May be it is time to pool key people from Greece, UK, Tunusia, Egypt,
> Wisconsin, and Spain like you Amaia in order to forge for a harmonised
> city
> center occupations in all G20 or even glibally?
> You might have the right names Michel. We are entering into an critical
> time zone, I think the climate is getting ready for such an action. So
> we
> need to link up!
> There are already several calls for world strike or similar global
> uprising. One anaymous call suggests 11.11.11 for such uprising!
>
>
>
> Citeren Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:
>
>  take care of yourself out there, Chris!
>
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:32 AM, chris at cataspanglish.com <
> chris at cataspanglish.com> wrote:
>
>  ok, the police have retreated from the Plaça firing rubber bullets in
>
> the
> air & it is occupied again, now without infrastructure
>
> sent from my mobile device
>
>
>
> On 27/05/2011, at 12:53, Amaia Arcos <amaia.arcos at googlemail.com><amaia.arcos at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sure, no worries, I'm in. What email address do I send stuff to so
> that
> I
> don't end up spamming people unnecessarily?
>
> I agree with Michel, to me this looks like something big could come
> out
> of
> it. I'd never dreamt of what is happening when I started "being a
> pain"
> about the need to go out on May 15th in Spain. I was only hoping for a
> decent turnout that day. Italy happily obliging within a couple of
> days
> and
> then Greece and then this #europeanrevolution being organised for
> Sunday
> is
> a massive surprise. I thought Europe was dead, there might be hope o.O
>
> On 27 May 2011 09:24, Michel Bauwens < <michelsub2004 at gmail.com><michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Dear Chris,
>
>
> in a short intro to a piece on spain, I wrote the following
> endorsement,
> so I think we should follow this very closely and support this
> evolving
> global movement to the best of our abilities,
>
> I hope you can be our point man, perhaps with Amaia as pointwoman, in
> Spain, I think her storyify format would be great for regular updates
> ...
>
> I also copying vasilis and George in Greece, in the hope they can
> contribute stories about how this develops in Greece,
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
> **
>
> When people agree on what they don't want, i.e. a market dictatorship
> in
> the hands of a financial predatory class, but are open-minded about
> the
> future, what should they ask for?
>
> The answer is very simply: true democracy, as this leaves all options
> open
> to create 'other worlds'.
>
> This is why the relative indeterminacy of the Spanish movement is not
> a
> bug, but a feature. It signals civil society forces have found a
> format
> for
> their protests, and a unifying platform, and this is why what
> happened
> in
> Spain is really Ground Zero for the start of a process towards deep
> transformation of our civilisation and political economy. It's early
> days,
> just green shoots, and the new generations have to be politically
> schooled
> as they face obstacles and repression, but, the tipping point has
> been
> reached, and something new has blossomed in the world.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Chris Pinchen <<
> chris at cataspanglish.com>
> chris at cataspanglish.com> wrote:
>
>  Right now police are violenty evicting the camp in Plaça Catalunya
>
> using
> the excuse that they need to clean the square for a football
> celebration
> tomorrow. People arriving are occupying the surrounding streets and
> are
> being clubbed by riot police who do not have id badges visible.  the
> campers
> are calling for more camps this evening
>
>
>  *Chris Pinchen*
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