[P2P-F] UROs are on the air
George Papanikolaou
georgepapani at gmail.com
Sun May 29 23:44:50 CEST 2011
Hello from Greece,
This is the fifth day and the crowd is increasing in Syntagma square in
Athens. There must have been more than 30.000 people this evening and
there are still there more than 10.000 at 11.30 pm (today). As a genuine
gathering of the multitude there are not prevailing slogans apart from
"thefts" and "take a helicopter and leave this place" (it refers to what
has happened in Argentina). Flags of Argentina can be also seen among
the demonstrators. In the front a banner says in Spanish "we are
desperate, we woke-up. What time is it? Its time for them to leave".
People are dancing shouting or just hanging around talking to each
other. A "general assembly" is held at late hours in the square, where
people can take the microphone, speak and say what they think freely.
It's not stopping and it will not stop although I think that maybe there
will be less people the forthcoming days.
Maybe you are not aware on the details of the Greek time lines. There
are enough money for the government until the 14 July and they
desperately need the next dose of the IMF and the EU to keep the country
running. EU governments are blackmailing, asking for a national
consensus of at least the governing socialist party and the
conservative right party, but the conservatives do not accept. They are
asking for a huge privatization plan which practically spans all public
enterprises including water companies and land. The latter is something
quite difficult to be accepted by the public opinion.
The idea that prevails is that after selling all these crucial resources
nothing will really change for the people and most possibly we will be
in the same position of bankruptcy after a year or maybe two having lost
by this time most of public resources. Also a huge tax collection plan
is under finalization which according to leakages it will cost
3.000-4000 euros annually for a family with 4 persons . This means that
a lot of marginally surviving people will fell below the elementary
standard of living. Another 150.000 unemployed are expected for the
forthcoming year. Final decisions will be announced most probably at 6th
of June - so keep this date in mind. It might be the beginning of real
bloody demonstrations.
What are the political implications of this mass mobilization and which
are the probable effects? Although is difficult to say I am thinking
that most probably if this dynamic goes on it might be impossible for
the government to vote for the new measures. At this stage political
instability with these time lines means bankruptcy.
Another interesting story is that parts of the national capitalist class
are seriously thinking of bankrupting the country and take over with a
new drachma. This is not discussed politically openly because a return
to a national currency will be extremely painful for the masses. In fact
the story of Argentina is well known. My impression of the overall
situation is that for several reasons Greece follows the road to an open
bankruptcy with several people waiting to benefit from that and nobody
taking the political risk to support it. Since European governments are
deeply divided on the Greek crisis, it is difficult to believe that they
will act in a coordinated, quick and generous way to avoid the storm,
although this cannot be ruled out.
Now, some figures from the public opinion
Red = the IMF-EU program is not beneficiary for the country
Blue = it is beneficiary
The most important slide which shows the bankruptcy of the ruling system
in Greece is the following. Please pay attention...
Red = do not trust
Blue= trust
Top bar (1st) = fellow citizens/people
2nd= social movements
3rd=banks
4th=media
5th=trade unions
6th=parliament
7th=governments
8th=political parties
Does this explain to you what happens now at Syntagma square?
Best regards
George
Στις 29/05/2011 04:45 μμ, ο/η orsan at tie-netherlands.nl έγραψε:
> To make use of a Yes Man style media action project in order to reach
> out poeple and create a ripple effect!
>
>
> Citeren Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>
>> great Orsan!
>>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:08 PM, <orsan at tie-netherlands.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> That would be great!
>>> I have already pasted acall on a new discussion group i created about
>>> Global P2P Revolution on p2p ning:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/group/peerlabour/forum/topics/anonymous-call-for-a-global
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Citeren Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>> I really think we should contribute to this as p2p collectives and
>>>> individuals ...
>>>>
>>>> I really think that Amaia has found the right formula with her
>>>> storify's,
>>>> which we can easily embed in our blog, and Naomi Klein has already
>>>> retweeted
>>>> amaia's story ...
>>>>
>>>> what I propose is the following, i.e. that each of you used storify to
>>>> keep
>>>> track of developments in your own area,
>>>>
>>>> then we need one extra volunteer to do this on the 'global level',
>>>>
>>>> an alternative is to use a specific tag for this and I could do a
>>>> weekly
>>>> roundup of this global tag ... say Global-P2P-Revolution ??
>>>>
>>>> we can also use Peer Labour at Ning to discuss and spread the word?
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Amaia Arcos
>>>> <amaia.arcos at googlemail.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The whole world peacefully rising against all that is unjust on
>>>> 11.11.11
>>>>> would send shivers down God's own spine (:P), I think it is a
>>>>> great idea.
>>>>> If
>>>>> the momentum keeps going until then (and I don't see why not, they
>>>>> are
>>>>> surely not going to make it easy for us) I guess we have enough
>>>>> time to
>>>>> globally link up and try.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm up for anything, you can only try. And the idea of somehow just
>>>>> concentrating on linking up people makes sense. There are many who
>>>>> organise
>>>>> stuff but are not particularly that well aware of who else is out
>>>>> there
>>>>> and/or what else is being done. And having somewhere decent where
>>>>> to go
>>>>> and
>>>>> see who is out there, doing what and when is not a bad idea
>>>>> either. Many
>>>>> find the internet disorienting in that there is too much data and
>>>>> they
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know how to search (or they have the idea that they don't and so they
>>>>> don't
>>>>> try).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 May 2011 15:43, <orsan at tie-netherlands.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Unindefined Revolutionary Objects (UROs) are appearing like thunder
>>>>>> stike
>>>>>> around the world and occupying important city centers... where is
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> process headed to!
>>>>>> May be it is time to pool key people from Greece, UK, Tunusia,
>>>>>> Egypt,
>>>>>> Wisconsin, and Spain like you Amaia in order to forge for a
>>>>>> harmonised
>>>>>> city
>>>>>> center occupations in all G20 or even glibally?
>>>>>> You might have the right names Michel. We are entering into an
>>>>>> critical
>>>>>> time zone, I think the climate is getting ready for such an
>>>>>> action. So
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> need to link up!
>>>>>> There are already several calls for world strike or similar global
>>>>>> uprising. One anaymous call suggests 11.11.11 for such uprising!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Citeren Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> take care of yourself out there, Chris!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:32 AM, chris at cataspanglish.com <
>>>>>>> chris at cataspanglish.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ok, the police have retreated from the Plaça firing rubber
>>>>>>> bullets in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> air & it is occupied again, now without infrastructure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sent from my mobile device
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27/05/2011, at 12:53, Amaia Arcos <amaia.arcos at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, no worries, I'm in. What email address do I send stuff to so
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> don't end up spamming people unnecessarily?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with Michel, to me this looks like something big could
>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> it. I'd never dreamt of what is happening when I started "being a
>>>>>>>> pain"
>>>>>>>> about the need to go out on May 15th in Spain. I was only
>>>>>>>> hoping for a
>>>>>>>> decent turnout that day. Italy happily obliging within a couple of
>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> then Greece and then this #europeanrevolution being organised for
>>>>>>>> Sunday
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> a massive surprise. I thought Europe was dead, there might be
>>>>>>>> hope o.O
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27 May 2011 09:24, Michel Bauwens < <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Chris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in a short intro to a piece on spain, I wrote the following
>>>>>>>>> endorsement,
>>>>>>>>> so I think we should follow this very closely and support this
>>>>>>>>> evolving
>>>>>>>>> global movement to the best of our abilities,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope you can be our point man, perhaps with Amaia as
>>>>>>>>> pointwoman, in
>>>>>>>>> Spain, I think her storyify format would be great for regular
>>>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also copying vasilis and George in Greece, in the hope they can
>>>>>>>>> contribute stories about how this develops in Greece,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When people agree on what they don't want, i.e. a market
>>>>>>>>> dictatorship
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the hands of a financial predatory class, but are open-minded
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> future, what should they ask for?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The answer is very simply: true democracy, as this leaves all
>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>> to create 'other worlds'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is why the relative indeterminacy of the Spanish movement
>>>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> bug, but a feature. It signals civil society forces have found a
>>>>>>>>> format
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> their protests, and a unifying platform, and this is why what
>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Spain is really Ground Zero for the start of a process towards
>>>>>>>>> deep
>>>>>>>>> transformation of our civilisation and political economy. It's
>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>> days,
>>>>>>>>> just green shoots, and the new generations have to be politically
>>>>>>>>> schooled
>>>>>>>>> as they face obstacles and repression, but, the tipping point has
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> reached, and something new has blossomed in the world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Chris Pinchen <<
>>>>>>>>> chris at cataspanglish.com>
>>>>>>>>> chris at cataspanglish.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right now police are violenty evicting the camp in Plaça
>>>>>>>>> Catalunya
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> the excuse that they need to clean the square for a football
>>>>>>>>>> celebration
>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow. People arriving are occupying the surrounding
>>>>>>>>>> streets and
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> being clubbed by riot police who do not have id badges
>>>>>>>>>> visible. the
>>>>>>>>>> campers
>>>>>>>>>> are calling for more camps this evening
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Chris Pinchen*
>>>>>>>>>> <http://cataspanglish.com>http://cataspanglish.com
>>>>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/cataspanglish>http://twitter.com/cataspanglish
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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