[P2P-F] The Libre Web Application Stack
Michel Bauwens
michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Tue Mar 1 22:24:27 CET 2011
thanks paul!
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Paul B. Hartzog <paulbhartzog at gmail.com>wrote:
> posted, tweeted...
>
> Network Robustness and the Next Net
>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/network-robustness-and-the-next-net/2011/03/01
> #nextnet #networks
>
> -p
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Paul B. Hartzog <paulbhartzog at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Michel, Colin, etc.
> >
> > Sure, I'll put some more detail about this up online (with references).
> > In a nutshell, scale-free networks are robust to random failures,
> > but vulnerable to targeted attacks because you can simply
> > take out the hubs first and isolate most of the network parts
> > from the other parts.
> >
> > -p
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Colin H <hawkett at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Paul - agree with the sentiment about diversity of routes (and
> probably
> >> protocols) being more robust, but I was wondering if you could elaborate
> on
> >> this statement
> >> Network topologies robust to random failures are NOT robust to targeted
> >> attacks.
> >> Network topologies robust to targeted attacks are NOT robust to random
> >> failures.
> >>
> >> I'm imagining a mesh network using a single routing method/topology
> (e.g.
> >> like the system devin highlighted). This architecture does not preclude
> >> multiple routes (in fact in a network with a lot of nodes, there should
> be
> >> multiple routes). This would seem to be an architecture robust to random
> >> failures, but I'm not sure why that architecture would make it any less
> >> robust to targeted attack than our current internet - in fact it is
> probably
> >> more robust (from a failure/attack perspective). I figure I'm looking at
> it
> >> from a different perspective though :)
> >> Cheers,
> >> Colin
> >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Paul B. Hartzog <
> paulbhartzog at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Dear Paul,
> >>> >
> >>> > it would be useful, if, for example you were going through the list,
> to
> >>> > identify the more 'core' solutions, perhaps through a star system or
> >>> > some
> >>> > such,
> >>>
> >>> will try to get a start on that. I'm only online 2 hrs / day until I
> >>> get back home
> >>> from Salt Lake City (i.e. Friday will be back to normal)
> >>>
> >>> > an important question for me is: what is really possible, given a
> >>> > society
> >>> > dominated by hostile forces? we may not get all we want, and
> therefore
> >>> > should perhaps focus on leverage points that give the greatest return
> >>> > for a
> >>> > realistic investment of available forces ..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, you have hit on a key point which needs to be discussed /
> navigated.
> >>>
> >>> Basically this:
> >>> Network topologies robust to random failures are NOT robust to targeted
> >>> attacks.
> >>> Network topologies robust to targeted attacks are NOT robust to random
> >>> failures.
> >>>
> >>> The solution of course is to move beyond a singular topology to a
> plural
> >>> one.
> >>>
> >>> In other words,
> >>> Imagine a dual-network with TWO routing methods and TWO topologies ,
> >>> and requests are sent in parallel along both networks,
> >>> so that if nodes are down in one network, data is routed via the other.
> >>>
> >>> TWO is a minimum, though.
> >>>
> >>> The pluralization of networks goes back to the pluralization of
> politics
> >>> taken up by Connolly in his work The Ethos of Pluralization
> >>> ( http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/C/connolly_ethos.html )
> >>>
> >>> It is another example of why code people should know theory,
> >>> and theory people should learn code. Cross-domain knowledges.
> >>>
> >>> -p
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Michel
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Paul B. Hartzog
> >>> > <paulbhartzog at gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Yes, I was reviewing that page today from Salt Lake City in fact and
> >>> >> there are good categories there.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> From a "lets build it" perspective though
> >>> >> I am going to suggest another page with the same ingredients
> >>> >> but displayed differently
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As we identify and bring in various projects
> >>> >> it is crucial to list them according to what layer they address.
> >>> >> (you can see the layers of OSI here
> >>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model )
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It's probably not necessary to display entirely based
> >>> >> on the full OSI stack,
> >>> >> but we at least should probably separate atoms from bits,
> >>> >> i.e.
> >>> >> projects that address distributed hardware
> >>> >> projects that address distributed software
> >>> >>
> >>> >> technically, running distributed hardware requires
> >>> >> software on those nodes anyway,
> >>> >> but hopefully you see the point.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Most of the projects I've seen are simply
> >>> >> software that has some p2p-ish aspect.
> >>> >> Slapping that onto a network with ISP's and a backbone,
> >>> >> and an oligopoly of router equipment
> >>> >> isn't going to solve either provisioning/bandwidth or governance
> >>> >> issues.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We need to support interest in both hardware and software
> >>> >> solutions in order to really build a new p2p net.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> (my 23 cents ;-)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -p
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com
> >
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > Michel,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > We'll definitely do that. I think we'll tie it in with the
> >>> >> > distillation of dialogues over the next few weeks, so that the
> >>> >> > categorization attempts to reflect what is coming out of these
> >>> >> > discussions we are starting.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > So far, your categorizations are definitely good basic
> descriptions,
> >>> >> > Michel. Thanks very much for putting this page together.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Michel Bauwens
> >>> >> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> Dear Sam,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> and others,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I have tried to categorize projects 'by sector', to the best of
> my
> >>> >> >> ability,
> >>> >> >> but I'd be happy if someone can go throug the main list, and add
> new
> >>> >> >> subsectors for those I was not able to place easily,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> both general list and sectoral one are below,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> source: http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Infrastructure
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Projects to decentralize/distribute the internet:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Appleseed [2] - distributed social network
> >>> >> >> Bitcoin, a decentralized internet currency.
> >>> >> >> Diaspora will hopefully be a social networking community where
> users
> >>> >> >> can run
> >>> >> >> their own federated “pods”, thus owning their personal data and
> >>> >> >> directly
> >>> >> >> controlling what is shared with who.
> >>> >> >> The Dot-P2P Project, an alternative DNS hierarchy that resists
> >>> >> >> censorship.
> >>> >> >> The Freedom Box initiated by Eben Moglen and the Freedom Box
> >>> >> >> Foundation:
> >>> >> >> independent plug-in server
> >>> >> >> GNUnet is a framework for secure peer-to-peer networking that
> does
> >>> >> >> not
> >>> >> >> use
> >>> >> >> any centralized or otherwise trusted services
> >>> >> >> GNU Social [3]
> >>> >> >> LittleShoot is a new web-based p2p file sharing site founded by
> one
> >>> >> >> of
> >>> >> >> the
> >>> >> >> creators of LimeWire that could live up to its pedigree
> >>> >> >> Lorea [4] - distributed social networks, already running on 10
> >>> >> >> networks
> >>> >> >> One Social Web [5] - distributed social network using xmpp
> >>> >> >> One Swarm [6]- F2F (friend2friend) P2P sharing; a new
> peer-to-peer
> >>> >> >> tool
> >>> >> >> that
> >>> >> >> provides users with explicit control over their privacy by
> letting
> >>> >> >> them
> >>> >> >> determine how data is shared
> >>> >> >> Open BTS: working on a new kind of cellular network that can be
> >>> >> >> installed
> >>> >> >> and operated at about 1/10 the cost of current technologies, but
> >>> >> >> that
> >>> >> >> will
> >>> >> >> still be compatible with most of the handsets that are already in
> >>> >> >> the
> >>> >> >> market.
> >>> >> >> Open Media Vault [7]
> >>> >> >> Open Moko, A project to create a 'free' or open source Open
> Mobile
> >>> >> >> Telephony
> >>> >> >> platform.
> >>> >> >> Open PGP encryption is based on self-issued certificates which
> gain
> >>> >> >> authority as a result of a web of trust expressed via user-
> >>> >> >> maintained
> >>> >> >> keyrings rather than a hierarchical certificate authority system
> >>> >> >> that
> >>> >> >> can be
> >>> >> >> centrally compromised.
> >>> >> >> Open Storage Pod, [8] open hardware project, small cubes to store
> >>> >> >> terabytes
> >>> >> >> Open WRT [9]- GNU/Linux based free firmware for gateways and
> >>> >> >> routers.
> >>> >> >> Own Cloud, data storage project from the wider KDE community
> >>> >> >> Retro Share [10] - secure communications with friends
> >>> >> >> Seeks Project [11] - "social websearch"
> >>> >> >> Sovereign Computing Group [12] - similar project to Freedom Box,
> >>> >> >> with a
> >>> >> >> very
> >>> >> >> interesting Manifesto.
> >>> >> >> Sparkle Share, [13] open source 'dropbox' replacement
> >>> >> >> Status.Net is a microblogging system that allows users to run
> their
> >>> >> >> own
> >>> >> >> Twitter-like site and federate selected streams with other
> systems.
> >>> >> >> The Tahoe Least-Authority File System, a highly fault-tolerant,
> >>> >> >> secure
> >>> >> >> internet filesystem.
> >>> >> >> The Tor Project, an anonymizing overlay network.
> >>> >> >> Unhosted: "Unhosted is a project for strengthening free software
> >>> >> >> against
> >>> >> >> hosted software. With our protocol, a website is only source
> code.
> >>> >> >> Dynamic
> >>> >> >> data is encrypted and decentralised, to per-user storage nodes.
> This
> >>> >> >> benefits free software, as well as scalability, robustness, and
> >>> >> >> online
> >>> >> >> privacy."
> >>> >> >> YaCy is a search engine where many nodes share information to
> build
> >>> >> >> a
> >>> >> >> distributed index.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> [edit] Distributed Technologies by Sector
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> [edit] P2P Currencies
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Bitcoin, a decentralized internet currency.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> [edit] P2P Filesharing and Storage
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> LittleShoot is a new web-based p2p file sharing site founded by
> one
> >>> >> >> of
> >>> >> >> the
> >>> >> >> creators of LimeWire that could live up to its pedigree
> >>> >> >> Open Storage Pod, [14] open hardware project, small cubes to
> store
> >>> >> >> terabytes
> >>> >> >> Own Cloud, data storage project from the wider KDE community
> >>> >> >> The Tahoe Least-Authority File System, a highly fault-tolerant,
> >>> >> >> secure
> >>> >> >> internet filesystem.
> >>> >> >> Unhosted: "Unhosted is a project for strengthening free software
> >>> >> >> against
> >>> >> >> hosted software. With our protocol, a website is only source
> code.
> >>> >> >> Dynamic
> >>> >> >> data is encrypted and decentralised, to per-user storage nodes.
> This
> >>> >> >> benefits free software, as well as scalability, robustness, and
> >>> >> >> online
> >>> >> >> privacy."
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> [edit] P2P Hardware
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> The Freedom Box initiated by Eben Moglen and the Freedom Box
> >>> >> >> Foundation:
> >>> >> >> independent plug-in server
> >>> >> >> Sovereign Computing Group [15] - similar project to Freedom Box,
> >>> >> >> with a
> >>> >> >> very
> >>> >> >> interesting Manifesto.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> [edit] P2P Network Computing
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> For the most fully distributed Peer to Peer Computer Networks at
> >>> >> >> present,
> >>> >> >> please check out Tribler ;Peerple ; Wipeer
> >>> >> >> Research into more fully distributed P2P systems for the future:
> >>> >> >> Chord,
> >>> >> >> CX
> >>> >> >> Project, Farsite, Globe Project, Oceanstore, Pastry
> >>> >> >> Decentralized P2P software programs are monitored and indexed
> here;
> >>> >> >> Flud
> >>> >> >> maintains a list of Distributed Internet-based Backup Systemssuch
> as
> >>> >> >> Tahoe
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> [edit] P2P Social Networks
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Appleseed [16] - distributed social network
> >>> >> >> Diaspora will hopefully be a social networking community where
> users
> >>> >> >> can run
> >>> >> >> their own federated “pods”, thus owning their personal data and
> >>> >> >> directly
> >>> >> >> controlling what is shared with who.
> >>> >> >> GNUnet is a framework for secure peer-to-peer networking that
> does
> >>> >> >> not
> >>> >> >> use
> >>> >> >> any centralized or otherwise trusted services
> >>> >> >> GNU Social [17]
> >>> >> >> Lorea [18] - distributed social networks, already running on 10
> >>> >> >> networks
> >>> >> >> One Social Web [19] - distributed social network using xmpp
> >>> >> >> One Swarm [20]- F2F (friend2friend) P2P sharing; a new
> peer-to-peer
> >>> >> >> tool
> >>> >> >> that provides users with explicit control over their privacy by
> >>> >> >> letting
> >>> >> >> them
> >>> >> >> determine how data is shared
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> [edit] P2P Searching
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> List of Distributed Search Engines; [21]
> >>> >> >> Seeks Project [22] - "social websearch"
> >>> >> >> YaCy is a search engine where many nodes share information to
> build
> >>> >> >> a
> >>> >> >> distributed index.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> [edit] Virtual Worlds
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Peer to Peer Virtual Worlds: VastPark, Solipsis, Vast; see also:
> >>> >> >> Multiverse
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Venessa Miemis
> >>> >> >> <venessamiemis at gmail.com>
> >>> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> just wondering your impression of this post, in terms of the
> 'what
> >>> >> >>> we
> >>> >> >>> need' conversation -
> >>> >> >>> The Libre Web Application Stack
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --
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> >>> >> >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss:
> >>> >> >>
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> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > --
> >>> >> > --
> >>> >> > Sam Rose
> >>> >> > Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
> >>> >> > Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> >>> >> > Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> >>> >> > skype: samuelrose
> >>> >> > email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
> >>> >> > http://forwardfound.org
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> >>> >> > http://hollymeadcapital.com
> >>> >> > http://p2pfoundation.net
> >>> >> > http://socialmediaclassroom.com
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> >>> >> > ambition." - Carl Sagan
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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> >>> >> The Universe is made up of stories, not atoms.
> >>> >> --Muriel Rukeyser
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Perceive differently, then you will act differently.
> >>> >> --Paul B. Hartzog
> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>> >
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